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TheNamesFizzy
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LincolnDouglas101
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Feminism is still a force for good in western civilization

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Started: 11/30/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheNamesFizzy

Con

First round is acceptance. I am very enthusiastic to debate this topic, and I hope for a good discussion. :)
LincolnDouglas101

Pro

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
TheNamesFizzy

Con

Observations: To truly answer this question we first need to define a "force for good" which I will define as achieving something that is a societial problem and "good" as beneficial for the society. Keep in mind force for good requires an actual method to achieve the goals.

C1: Feminists leaders and vocal feminists are biased to the point where sexism is perceived to be everywhere.
I will provide a video, keep in mind this doesn't represent all feminists, but as of now the leaders and representatives of feminism have turned it into a force of destruction and anti-discussion

https://www.youtube.com...

There are more videos of attempting to talk to these Feminists which result in name calling and ad hominem attacks frequently. My opponent may attempt to argue this saying this isn't "real Feminism," however, I would ask my opponent to take a stroll through Tumblr or any other Feminism site and you will soon see the double standards they set up. While Feminism might supposed to mean something else, at this moment in time it has a negative connotation due to the fact it's leaders are promoting anti-discussion and major biases. Therefore, Feminism cannot be a force for good when such biases exist. Feminists claim that feminism is about equality. That is not really the case. Feminism, as long as gender is concerned, is about granting more privilege to women. A noble cause, since women are known to be oppressed throughout history. But does it end there? In areas where women are underprivileged, supporting and giving them more power will indeed lead to equality and is something that is greatly needed but also majorly achieved in most countries of western culture. However, in areas where women are not underprivileged or even equally privileged, doing so causes just another imbalance which immediately leads to discrimination, this time against males. The kind of one sided and absolute view of oppression is distinct in feminism and not only in gender: The opinion that if a specific group is in average more privileged than another, that means that members of the same group CANNOT be oppressed or treated unfairly by the latter is quite popular with feminists, especially in the academic space. They demonise masculinity and have come up with the term "hegemonic masulinity" to reinforce this idea. Since feminism has never ACTED in support of underprivileged straight, white males against overprivileged females in cases where male discrimination is a really serious and prevalent, this alone tells me that feminism is really, really far from egalitarian. These three reasons (lost of focus, bias and scientific neglect) is why feminism isn't only irrelevant but also harmful to the western culture.




C2: A Feminist point of view, with the connotation it currently has, cannot ever solve the problems it claims exist.

There is absolutely no denying that genders are not equal, and there are problems that need to be solved, however, Feminism in it's current state cannot possibly solve for this. Looking at gender problems through the biased view point of Feminism can only cause more problems, instead, we need to look at both genders problems and help both male and female. You can't find a single article about men's rights in Feminist literature because, by definition, they are only concerned with the female gender. This creates problems, because instead of attempting to help both genders, they only want to grant themselves more "privileges"

B) Feminism not only ignores but downright denies the impact of BIOLOGICAL effect on gender and race even if there are many studies to prove them wrong. Instead, they interpret the various social phenomena based on their own experiences and ideologies. The fact that such a scientifically inaccurate movement has thrived in the academic space makes wonder: Why has the patriarchy allowed this? Does the patriarchy really exist? So if feminism does not rely on science to reinforce its positions, then what does it rely on? Victimisation. Feminism is no longer just about gender equality (if it ever was). It has expanded to race,class, age, religion etc with the same feeling of self righteousness and bitterness it had when it started. However, if this kind of suspicion was once a strength of feminism, now it is its weakness. The need of feminism to constantly find enemies has led it to deplecity and ideological narrowness. It is no longer about truth but advancing an ideological agenda which is not powered by cold hard evidence but theorems and opinions as well as clearly biased interpretations of reality.
LincolnDouglas101

Pro

LincolnDouglas101 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
TheNamesFizzy

Con

Nothing to do a rebuttal on so just extend my arguments.
LincolnDouglas101

Pro

LincolnDouglas101 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
LincolnDouglas101

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
LincolnDouglas101

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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