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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/19/2015 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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crankup

Pro

What is the problem with feminism? Why do we have to keep this word alive, just so women can have same rights as men? Talking about the mans intelligence or strength, is that really an argument? A lot of successful women do better than some men. Is this because they are the term "Butt-hurt", because they feel threatened upon being masculine?
Zarroette

Con

As per DDO customs, I will use the first round for acceptance. I assume that we are arguing whether feminism is a positive or negative thing. Since my opponent is affirming, he/she has the burden of proof to show that it is a positive thing. I await my opponent's opening round.
Debate Round No. 1
crankup

Pro

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Zarroette

Con

Rather than appeal to a definition of feminism, allow me to show you what feminism has done.


Counter Case


A1: The myth of gender equality


Often espoused by feminists is the idea that men and women are equal. This could not be further from the truth.


At the biological level, prima facie, it is clear that women, who are anatomically very different to men (e.g. genitals), are not equal in this sense. But the differences run deeper. At the University of Pennsylvania, there was found to be striking differences in the neurological wiring of men’s and women’s brains. Specifically, neurological connection is found to be mostly forward and back with men, whilst women have connections left to right [1]. These differences manifest in ability, such as men being “better at learning and performing single tasks, such as cycling or navigating, whilst women tend to be better at multitasking and problem-solving in group situations.


These differing abilities also manifest in preferences. In his book Gender, Nature, and nurture, and as spoken in the documentary ‘Brainwash: The Gender Equality Paradox’, Richard Lippa talks of his survey that collaborated answers from over 200,000 people in 53 counties. They were all asked what they wanted to work with. He found that, “men [were] much more orientated in the thing orientated occupations. Women, relatively, are much orientated in the people professions… This is consistent across all the countries… Something biological is going on.” [2] [3].


Also found within this documentary is Trond Diseth of the Oslo Univeristy Hospital Research. Trond specifically works with “children with deformed genitals” and tries to work out which sex the children are. He does with the methodology of placing male, female and neutral toys in front of the child. He found that there are “clear differences between what the two gender gravitate towards… Children are born with a clear biological disposition” [3].


Now that it is very clear that there are differences between the genders, why is the pursuit of equality harmful (i.e. what is the impact?). Programs and organisations that push women towards certain professions, such as the ‘Steminist’ organisation, are a waste of time and money because for the large majority of women, they are not interested in the ‘thing’ orientated professions. But it gets worse. There exists ‘gender quotas’ so that there is a push towards ‘gender equality’ in the workforce. These quotas mean that a certain number of women are required to be accepted into the STEM fields, or else the college will get into trouble [4], of which was backed by U.S President Barrack Obama [5]. BUT IT GETS EVEN WORSE. In 2012, there was serious talk (involving Barrack Obama) of ‘limiting male enrolment into science fields’ [6]. Such blatant misandry is the final stage of feminist rhetoric.


So, as a result of the gender equality paradigm espoused by feminists, we now have disinformation in the form of what women prefer, this results in an unfair bias wherein women now have quotas in place at the expense of men, AND THEN you have the blatant misandry of prosing to exclude men from science. What insanity! They claim to be for gender equality, yet push until men are limited and women are not! The impacts here are: disinformation, and sexist/misandric thoughts and actions.


This is a reason why you should be against feminism.


References

[1] http://www.medicalnewstoday.com...
[2] http://books.google.com.au...
[3] https://www.youtube.com...
[4] http://dailycaller.com...
[5] http://www.human.cornell.edu...
[6] http://www.amnation.com...
Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 3
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Debate Round No. 4
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Pro

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Zarroette

Con

Vote for me, please =)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Zarroette 1 year ago
Zarroette
"Feminism is not one specific thing to every one person."

Whenever you back Feminism into a corner with reason and logic, the Feminist will typically come out with this kind of moving-the-goalpost/ no-true-Scotsman response, or the Feminist will insult you (if you're a guy), or the Feminist will ask: "why don't you believe in equal rights?" Here, the very former is the case.

Feminism then, in reality, becomes whatever you want it to be whenever you want it. Don't like what those Feminists are doing? That's not real Feminism! Feminism is about equality between the genders, right? No, it's about much more than that. People who argue this line of reasoning obfuscate Feminism so much that it doesn't mean anything, but no one can attack it because opposition are always attacking the wrong Feminism or not the true Feminism. No one can be invalidated, but no one can be right. This is a textbook disinformation tactic.
Posted by Leo.Messi 1 year ago
Leo.Messi
Feminism...no. I personally believe in equal rights (school, voting, job etc.), but you must realize that we are actually not the same. We are different, with different strengths and weakness's. I dont agree with all the "men oppress us" crap, but I do think women should go to school, work, vote, and get paid the same as men. If you truly believe men oppress you, you have been deceived into what I like to call "Feminazism".
Posted by Kanumay 1 year ago
Kanumay
Feminism is not one specific thing to every one person. We share ideas, we share thoughts, and we share goals, but we DO NOT all think the same. Feminism is greatly needed but most people will not acknowledge it because they believe it is one thing, when really it is another to someone else. The concept is confusing..and feminists really need a spokesperson. However, we cannot all agree on one because we argue with each other constantly. It is heavily flawed...but the goal is something I wish for with all my might.
Posted by Logicalled 1 year ago
Logicalled
Feminism is heavily flawed, because rather than being the dictionary definition feminists frequently appeal to, the majority of active feminists believe in many critically weak feminist theories such as Rape Culture &
Patriarchy, which can both be empirically disproved.

Feminists frequently cite a wage gap, but purposefully omit the fact that men and women do not earn the same for the same job under all the same circumstances. Men do more unpaid overtime, travel further for work and many other variables, but feminists control the value for these variables very dishonestly by placing low control value. This is disgusting and deliberate.

The most sexist comments I have ever seen are from feminists.
Posted by Dilara 1 year ago
Dilara
I dislike modern feminism. The other waves of feminism are great.
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