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Yousuf1
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Feminists want equality only where women are disadvantaged, and priviledges where they are not.

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Started: 3/20/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Yousuf1

Pro

It is true, feminists fight against inequality which harms women. You will never see feminists fighting against inequality where men are disadvantaged. I will only be discussing the "moderate" feminists here such as President Barrack Obama , Hilary Clinton & Emma Watson etc. President Barrack Obama has ordered that there be "equal" but "easier" military tests for women. How is this equality? And if the fact that them being physically weaker on average entitles them to such a privilege (as i mentioned in the start) , then men should be given easier non-physical tests in all government jobs, because ,apparently, his wife has clearly said in a UN conference that women are "smarter" than men. Am i the only one seeing this double standard. Furthermore, a little while ago, judges in the UK were OFFICIALLY ordered to give lighter sentences to women. Yet no feminist protested against it Why? Is it because they want special privileges rather than actual equality. Not only that, Obama has created the White House Council on Women and Girls , to give recognition to the discrimination women face, but what about men. Not to mention male victims of domestic violence are often ignored because apparently the law which deals with domestic violence is called " Violence Against Women Act." Not only that, feminists also never seem to protest against businesses that are sexist towards men by nature, want an example? SheCabs, that have (or are supposed to be) launched in New York, a taxi service that only employs female drivers, and caters to female customer. Another example can be the new law that the Brazilian Politician passed, making violence against women a bigger crime than violence against men, despite the fact that women form only 11% of the victims of violence in Brazil. Also, in the US, majority of the homeless people are men, but there are shelters restricted to "Women & children" only. Why? Why don't feminists protest against these, and I say again, protest, not simply comment that they are against it once in a blue moon on facebook, but fight against it the same way they fight against discrimination against men.
SomethingWitty

Con

Honestly, most of what you're complaining about as giving women privilege exists because women need it for safety. For example, the SheCabs that you mentioned: Those are to protect women. Taxis are dangerous because you don't know who you're getting into a car with. A driver could be a rapist and an unsuspecting victim could get into that cab. Or the other way around. Not only is it providing jobs to women who are much less likely to get hired than men purely because of their sex. The drivers also won't have to worry about an unsavory man getting into their cab. Don't say "Well women can rape and and assault people too." You're right they can. But the majority of men are physically much stronger than women because of testosterone. If a women is being assaulted by another women they have a better chance of getting away. The military part of the argument you made: As I've previously stated men are naturally stronger than women and women would have to work a lot harder than the men to do the military tests. So they're making everyone work equally hard. Equal=Equality. Also, as far as I know, there is nothing to back up the fact that women are smarter than men. They probably did a survey or something of the like, and most o the women they surveyed just happened to be smarter then most of the men they surveyed. I want biological proof that women are smarter if you're going to make an argument on it. I understand the men also get abused, but let's face it: It's harder for women to find a job after they've run away from they're abuser. Also, They don't fight for more men shelters because they are feminists. They are fighting for females rights. If a man wants to fight against that than go ahead. Just because feminists aren't fighting for men doesn't mean they're privileged, they're just busy fighting for their cause.
Debate Round No. 1
Yousuf1

Pro

Actually, sexism by definition is discrimination based on sex. If you want to reduce physical requirements, do it for both sexes. Women have more developed prefrontal cortexs than men, giving them better fluency in language, so does that mean that men should be given easier, lets say, English tests. Not only that, you haven't replied to the fact that in the UK judges have been ordered to (OFFICIALLY) give women lighter prison sentences, an no feminist has publicly protested against it. YOu also mention that SheCabs provide safety and job. So if , on average, black men and stronger than white men ( due to evolution, they were doing all the hard labour jobs), if there was supposedly a white taxi service, wouldn't that be discrimination against blacks and blacks are stereotypically well known for being more vulnerable to performing crimes, its the exact same concept. Also, there is no proof that women are discriminated against in jobs such as driving taxis. And lets ASSUME they are due to them being a minority in taxi drivers, men are a minority in childcare services, does that mean that child care services should hire men only? Again, sexism by definition is discrimination based on sex. Also , you forgot to argue the fact that males are close to half of the victims of domestic violence in America , yet the law responsible for domestic violence was authorized by feminist president Barrack Obama, and is named the "Violence Against Women Act."
SomethingWitty

Con

Okay, back to what I was saying. If you don't like SheCabs, or services like it, then go ahead and make HeCabs. If you don't like the fact that it's "Violence Against WOMEN Act" Then petition for a violence against men act. But don't get in the feminists way of making women feel comfortable having to worry less about getting home safely. Don't make women the "bad guys". Be the change you want to see. Feminists haven't done anything to you, so don't do anything to them. Men get paid more than women. Men get hired more often than women. Feminists are fighting for females to be equal. Women are not privileged in any way. The things you listed aren't privileges, they're things that women need. Also for the "Women and Children shelters" in the first argument. Do you know what would happen to women on the streets? We can't forget the female monthly friend. Not only will those poor women have to wear disgusted bloodied clothes, but period cramps can be terribly painful. Well taken care of women can faint on their periods, Imagine how badly it would affect a malnourished woman. If a homeless women gets raped she will have a child and not enough money for an abortion. She won't have enough money to provide for the child in the womb either, resulting in a still birth, also killing the mother. Women face a lot of hardships that men are lucky enough to not have to deal with. It's much easier for a homeless man to live on the street. I'm not saying they deserve to be on the street or that it's okay that they are, but they dont have as much to worry about. Now, back to your second argument. I didn't say women don't get hired to drive taxis, I'm saying that they're less likely to get hired for most jobs, and even when they are hired, they're paid less.
Debate Round No. 2
Yousuf1

Pro

Ok first, no, at the same position, they are paid the same. Secondly, serving a lesser punishment for the same crime IS privilege. Secondly, many petitions have been sent to the government, but were turned down due to feminist rebellion. Want proof? When a request was sent to make a White House Council on Men and Boys, it was turned down by President Barrack Obama, and his decision was heavily influenced by Hillary Clinton ( both the leaders being renowned feminists), furthermore, in your first argument, you actually proved my point, feminists fight for special privileges for women, which you admitted. Also, you've talked about the fact that women have a hard time finding jobs after being abused by their partners. They do, but men have an even harder time. Who's gonna get more sympathy? A man abused by a woman or a woman abused by a man? Most men would be ridiculed for being abused by a woman. And if feminists claim to fight for "gender equality" , part of it is fighting for men's rights. So then feminists should be the ones fighting for a Violence Against Men act and HeCabs, and not hiring a driver due to his gender , or refusing to provide a customer with a service because of his gender , is discrimination. Furthermore, black men on average are stronger than their white counterparts ( ....want biological proof? Evolution....), so then white men should get easier tests in the military? Also, if you admit that men and women have the same levels of mental capabilities, but men are stronger, that means men are superior (based on what you say), if there are two robots, with the same powers of ,let say, calculation , problem solving or anything that requires intellect, but one is stronger than the other, the stronger one is worth more than the weaker one, both in worth and function. Also , feminists should be fighting for a Violence Against Men act and HeCabs, as they claim to fight for gender inequality, but not only they do not fight for that, they fight against it.
SomethingWitty

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
Yousuf1

Pro

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SomethingWitty

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
Yousuf1

Pro

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SomethingWitty

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Yousuf1 1 year ago
Yousuf1
I was waiting for a reply, I never got one so both of us forfeited a round?
Posted by RGarland 1 year ago
RGarland
WOW the Pro is destroying the con!!! The Con's answer to challenges is essentially "If you don't like it, go change it" which fundamentally disregards the challenges. Also, I would like to remind the Pro to bring up how women-on-men violence is always blamed on the men by feminists, yet men-on-women violence is also blamed on the man. Also, if two people are drunk and have intercourse, only the male is legally held responsible which contributes to false rape claims and discrimination in courts that feminists support! In addition, feminists want all the benefits of society like voting, ect. but don't want the responsibilities that men face (ex: being in the draft) and women also expect "Women and children first" yet want the same privileges of a man.
Posted by SomethingWitty 1 year ago
SomethingWitty
I'm not sure because I just started using this site. Sorry!
Posted by Yousuf1 1 year ago
Yousuf1
How do I post my next debate?
Posted by Liberals 1 year ago
Liberals
It's the sad truth.
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