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brian_eggleston
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BellumQuodPacis
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Filthy, perverted child molesters should not be celebrated at Christmas

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/16/2009 Category: Science
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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brian_eggleston

Pro

Responsible parents do their best to make their kids aware of "stranger danger" and tell them not to talk to adults who they don't know and never to accept gifts from them. Over the years this message has been very successful in deterring depraved kiddy-fiddlers from stalking their juvenile prey on the streets and most paedophiles now "groom" their victims on the Internet instead.

However, towards the end of December parents tell their children that they'd better watch out because a big, fat, bearded sex pest called "Santa Claus" is coming to town. They then add that this dirty, hirsute, red-suited sexual deviant makes a list and checks it twice and then breaks into all the houses on that list and helps himself to mince pies and sherry before going upstairs to the children's bedrooms to "see" them when they are sleeping.

This Santa Claus fiend, who also uses the aliases "Herr Weihnachtsmann", "P�re No�l", "Father Christmas" and "San Nicol�s" has spawned numerous copycats who can be spotted in shopping malls and department stores around the country. There they lure youngsters into their makeshift lairs (or "grottos" as they are known in the seedy underworld of paedophilia), sit them on their laps then ask them sickening questions like "Have you been a good little girl, my lovely?" and "Would you like a little present, deary?" and "Have you ever seen a grown man naked before, sweetie-pie?"

Shocking! So what does this whole Santa Claus caper say to children? That it is wrong for dirty old men interfere with little kiddies except at Christmas time?

This is a very dangerous message to send to vulnerable and impressionable youngsters and for this reason I affirm that filthy, perverted child molesters like Santa Claus should not be celebrated at Christmas.

Thank you.
BellumQuodPacis

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate, and as he is PRO, he has the burden of proof of showing cases in which Santa Claus, has raped, molested, sexually fiddled with, or fonded a young child. I would also especially like to see the source that says this: ""Have you ever seen a grown man naked before, sweetie-pie?""

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"However, towards the end of December parents tell their children that they'd better watch out because a big, fat, bearded sex pest called "Santa Claus" is coming to town. They then add that this dirty, hirsute, red-suited sexual deviant makes a list and checks it twice and then breaks into all the houses on that list and helps himself to mince pies and sherry before going upstairs to the children's bedrooms to "see" them when they are sleeping."

I honestly laughed so hard when I read this. But back on a serious note, You're misconstruing the story big time, and your getting the facts all wrong. This is copy/pasted from wikipedia:

"In the United States and Canada, children traditionally leave Santa a glass of milk and a plate of cookies; in Britain and Australia, he is sometimes given sherry and mince pies instead." [http://en.wikipedia.org...]

So it's not sherry, it's milk. Milk, from a cow. [http://en.wikipedia.org...]
Also, it's quite commonly known that Santa's elves check to see if the child is sleeping or not. The reason is, because Santa is too busy delivering presents all around the world to be checking every room before he goes. Also, if even he does look to see if a child is sleeping, it's not sexual. Seeing is believing, not sex. [http://en.wikipedia.org...]
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"This Santa Claus fiend, who also uses the aliases "Herr Weihnachtsmann", "P�re No�l", "Father Christmas" and "San Nicol�s" has spawned numerous copycats who can be spotted in shopping malls and department stores around the country. There they lure youngsters into their makeshift lairs (or "grottos" as they are known in the seedy underworld of paedophilia), sit them on their laps then ask them sickening questions like "Have you been a good little girl, my lovely?" and "Would you like a little present, deary?" and "Have you ever seen a grown man naked before, sweetie-pie?""

You say those are his aliases but this is incorrect. If you go to any translating website, and type in those names for those languages, Herr Weihnachtsmann is German for Mr. Christmas, P�re No�l is French for Father Christmas, Father Christmas is Modern English for Santa Claus, and San Nicolas is Spanish for Saint Nicholas or Santa Claus, you can see that they are just names for what children can call Santa Claus. Not aliases. Every other child who speaks those languiages will know who that person is, therefore they cannot be aliases as aliases protect one's identity from being revealed. Now, to address the copycat point. This is true that there are Santa copycats, however, upon my research, I have found no case of rape, child molestation or any lude act with a minor that occurs with mall santas. The only thing that came up was how border patrol officials rape girls they catch coming over the border, or when some old guy sat down outside and got shot. [http://www.google.com...=]

I have proven my opponent's arguments wrong and therefore, urge a CON ballot. Thank you.
LOOK AT TEH BUNNEH!!!!!!!!
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Debate Round No. 1
brian_eggleston

Pro

With many thanks to Bellum Quod Pacis (which any voters from ancient Rome will know means "war and peace") for accepting this debate, I should like to offer the following response:

My opponent seemed to doubt my assertion that Santa Claus and his associates are sexual predators and a danger to little kiddies. I know this revelation might come as a disappointment and a shock to him but, unfortunately, it's true. However, he need not take my word for it, he can ask the US Postal Service who had to launch "Operation Santa" to intercept all mail addressed to "Santa Claus, North Pole" because they didn't want letters from innocent little children to end up the hands of a beardy old kiddy-fiddler.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk...

In addition to that, here is photographic evidence of Santa whispering: "Have you ever seen a grown man naked, sweetie-pie" to a little girl:

http://upload.wikimedia.org...

And here is a picture of Santa with a child who replied "No" when he asked her "Have you been a good little girl, my lovely?"

http://bumpaddler.com...

Next my opponent questioned my facts with regard to Santa's preferred midnight snack, suggesting that in America it is milk and cookies rather than sherry and mince pies as I (inadvertently) implied, then helpfully informing us that milk comes from cows and also supplying a source for any voters who didn't know what a ‘cow' was.

He said that only English and Australian people left sherry and mince pies left out for Santa. Well, let's look at this shall we?

Here is an actual picture of a real life house in England on Christmas Eve last year:
http://cache2.asset-cache.net...

And here is an actual picture of a real life house in America on Christmas Eve last year:
http://comps.fotosearch.com...

You will notice that whilst the English folks left sherry out and the Americans did, indeed, leave milk out instead, crucially, both families left mince pies out. With this being the case I think that my opponent and I should share the points on this one.

Moving on to the behaviour of shopping mall Santa's I did a Google search of my own using the keywords: "Santa"; "Claus"; "dirty"; "paedophile" and "scumbag" and the search engine came back with hundreds of thousands of links. Amongst them was this one:

http://www.thesun.co.uk...

This illustrates just one of many cases where Santa impersonators have been locked up for molesting children. Here is a picture of another Santa copycat being led away after being caught touching up a little girl:

http://backspin.typepad.com...

No, make no mistake, these Santa characters are not a very nice men at all. We only have to look at what they get up to in the spare time:

A Santa caught loitering outside an all-girls school:
http://images.damncrows.com...

Another Santa caught looking under the fence of a nudist camp:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com...

And another Santa dresses up as a Catholic priest in order to gain access to the choirboys:
http://christhedon.com...

While another Santa is spotted plotting terrorist atrocities in Afghanistan
http://www.freakingnews.com...

Let's face it, Santa Claus is not a very nice character, is he boys and girls?

So, in the light of all the evidence I have provided, we must surely conclude that my opponent is wrong to argue that filthy, perverted child molesters should be celebrated at Christmas.

Thank you.
BellumQuodPacis

Con

I must say Brian, you drive a hard bargain. But, it seems as if you are not seeing the point, not only behind all of your sources, but also behind the mentality of Santa Claus and Christmas.

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Refutation 1:
"With many thanks to Bellum Quod Pacis (which any voters from ancient Rome will know means "war and peace") for accepting this debate, I should like to offer the following response:"

FINALLY!!! Someone finally got what my name meant. +1 to brian.

Refutation 2:
"My opponent seemed to doubt my assertion that Santa Claus and his associates are sexual predators and a danger to little kiddies. I know this revelation might come as a disappointment and a shock to him but, unfortunately, it's true. However, he need not take my word for it, he can ask the US Postal Service who had to launch "Operation Santa" to intercept all mail addressed to "Santa Claus, North Pole" because they didn't want letters from innocent little children to end up the hands of a beardy old kiddy-fiddler. [http://www.timesonline.co.uk......]"

The evidence says clealry, the programme was stopped due to the intervention of sex offenders, but when reading the article, we see this:

"The US Postal Service is cancelling its 55-year-old programme to answer letters addressed to "Santa Claus, North Pole" after it was infiltrated last year by a sex offender. A post office spokesman said that the children's letters, which are piling up in Alaska, might be recycled as waste instead."

Exactly. The reason why it was stopped, is because it was intercepted by a sex offender! NOT Santa Claus. Nowhere in the article does it state that Santa Claus was the paedophile. Therefore, we KNOW Santa Claus is not a sex offender/rapist and that point is moot for you.

Refutation 3:
"In addition to that, here is photographic evidence of Santa whispering: "Have you ever seen a grown man naked, sweetie-pie" to a little girl: [http://upload.wikimedia.org......]"

This is merely a photograph of Santa whispering something in a little girl's ear. Last time I checked, photos did not have audio. There is no proof behind your statement, it should be disregarded.

Refutation 4:
"And here is a picture of Santa with a child who replied "No" when he asked her "Have you been a good little girl, my lovely?" [http://bumpaddler.com......]

I must say, you might have had a lot of people who changed their minds on this photo. But, she is clearly an adult in this photo, therefore, he would be an everyday rapist, and not a child molester, as your resolution specifies.

Refutation 5:
"He said that only English and Australian people left sherry and mince pies left out for Santa. Well, let's look at this shall we?

Here is an actual picture of a real life house in England on Christmas Eve last year:
http://cache2.asset-cache.net......

And here is an actual picture of a real life house in America on Christmas Eve last year:
http://comps.fotosearch.com......

You will notice that whilst the English folks left sherry out and the Americans did, indeed, leave milk out instead, crucially, both families left mince pies out. With this being the case I think that my opponent and I should share the points on this one.

Moving on to the behaviour of shopping mall Santa's I did a Google search of my own using the keywords: "Santa"; "Claus"; "dirty"; "paedophile" and "scumbag" and the search engine came back with hundreds of thousands of links. Amongst them was this one:

http://www.thesun.co.uk......

This illustrates just one of many cases where Santa impersonators have been locked up for molesting children. Here is a picture of another Santa copycat being led away after being caught touching up a little girl: http://backspin.typepad.com...;

Wow. Well first I must say, wow. Second, All of your sources have nothing to do with your arguemtn or even your resolution for that matter. First you point out that some people put sherry out for christmas, instead of milk and cookies. But, drinking has nothing to do with child molesting or raping, point is disqualified. Next, there is no proof in that photo that there was a nudist camp on the other side. First, children aren't allowed in nudist camps. Second, what does spying on a nudist camp full of adults, have to do with child molesting? Nothing. Again, point is disqualified. Next, you describe Santa as dressing up as a catholic priest to rape choirboys, this is false. Santa Claus does not look like the man pictured in your photo, he looks like this [http://upload.wikimedia.org...] Notice the full beard. So your evidence is false as well. Now to address your terrorist point, that picture is explicity Osama Bin Laden, [http://en.wikipedia.org...] and clearly not Santa Claus.

Refutation 6:
"So, in the light of all the evidence I have provided, we must surely conclude that my opponent is wrong to argue that filthy, perverted child molesters should be celebrated at Christmas."

You have failed to provide credible and sufficient evidence as to why Santa Claus is anywhere near related to a child molester, and yo uhave failed to also sho how Christmas CELEBRATES child molesters, when in fact Christmas celebrates "The birth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth" (First sentence [http://en.wikipedia.org...]).

I thank my opponent for this extremely funny debate. Again, please vote CON becuase my opponent has failed to explain why child molesters are celebrated at Christmas and also because, I have proven that Santa and Christmas have nothing to do with child molesting/groping/raping/gaping/touching/feeling/fondling/fiddling. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by asiansarentnerdy 7 years ago
asiansarentnerdy
LOL this debate made me laugh so hard.
Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
Mangani
All points Pro. This was clearly intended as a humorous debate, and Con took this completely too seriously.
Posted by XimenBao 7 years ago
XimenBao
I'm a little afraid to check Pro's posting history in case he was actually serious.
Posted by mattrodstrom 7 years ago
mattrodstrom
so long as we're talkin about votes that don't count...

mine would go to pro. I thought he provided a wealth of evidence associated St. Nick with paedo's and I didn't think con at all negated the resolution that:
Filthy, perverted child molesters should not be celebrated at Christmas

whereas, pro affirmed it in the very first round:
"I affirm that filthy, perverted child molesters... should not be celebrated at Christmas."
Posted by MikeLoviN 7 years ago
MikeLoviN
"Except for the fact that the evidences were ludicrous, I fail to see how this debate ridiculing one integral symbol of Christmas was 'funny', as well."

That is because you obviously do not have a shred of a sense of humour. It really is a shame that so many of brian's brilliantly crafted debates are taken so seriously by his opponents.
Posted by 1stLordofTheVenerability 7 years ago
1stLordofTheVenerability
Jeepers Criminy... you don't really believe that, do you Brian? Gee whiz... If I could vote the opponent would get it without my having to read the entire debate. -_-

Many of your sources are disreputable (such as the 'bad girl') or the pictures irrelevant/made in jest (such as Santa being arrested. The 'Santa' is obviously another soldier - he definitely does not have the girth to be 'Santa Claus'. The one chap that was arrested for being a Pedophile wasn't in mall. He was in a pub, of which a vulnerable fifteen year old girl should not have been (especially considering drinking age is not until 16 in England and 18 in US and Canada).

Plus, there is no indication that many of those pictures prove what you claim. The one with the pile of alcoholic beverage bottles was likely just as old man - no indication that he was a mall Santa or even that he was peeping through the fence.

Except for the fact that the evidences were ludicrous, I fail to see how this debate ridiculing one integral symbol of Christmas was 'funny', as well.
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