Fire and water ARE living things.
Debate Rounds (3)
My 1st point is that fire and water can NOT reproduce,and all living things must be able to reproduce.
My 2nd point is that water and fire are not made up of cells and all living things must be made out of cells in order to be classified as a living thing.
My 3rd point is that fire and water do not eat or drink and all living things must be able to eat and drink.
There fore I believe that water and fire are NOT living things.
Water can also create new water. Clouds, for example, are made of water vapor. But if the moisture within the cloud reaches a certain threshold relative to air temperature, the water vapor will condense and fall out the pregnant cloud as little raindrops. A raindrop is not identical to a cloud; it is a new form of water.
2. Fire and water are both made of cells. Cells are the constituent units of living things. Fire and water are both constituted of basic units. Fire is nothing more than a combustion reaction, and the resulting flame is the visible manifestation of the reaction. The intense heat of the fire vaporizes the fuel source, and, as the vaporized fuel interacts with air particles (free atoms and molecules), a glowing flame is produced. The glow is light emitted from the exited electrons of the air particles. In other words, the basic unit of a flame is the particles of air. Those particles can be thought of as a type of cell, the basic unit of the existent flame.
Water is also composed of basic units. These units are called molecules, and they are of the form HOH (hydrogen hydroxide).
3. ALL living things do not need to eat and drink. Cyanobacteria neither eat not drink, yet they are most certainly alive. Therefore, fire and water can still be considered living things though they neither eat nor drink.
Fire and water can be considered alive.
You also said that water can reproduce well it cant because there's no such things as a boy water and a girl water they cant have sexual intercourse.Also you said something about the pregnant cloud.Well that's not true either.http://www.google.co.nz...
If you looked clicked the link then you would have seen a picture of the water cycle and how it works.The water evaporates from lakes etc,and then it forms into a cloud.While its forming into a cloud its cleaning the SAME water and making it fresh again.Once the cloud gets heavy full of water it precipitates.So its not making a new droplet.We have been drinking the same water that the Dinosaurs have been drinking.
Also you said that Fire and water are made up of cells.They are actually not made up of cells.They don't need a mitochondria because they don't need respiration.They don't need a cell wall because they don't need structure because its water.
Also Cyanobacteria is also known as blue-green bacteria or blue-green algae.Algae eat things.So Cyanobacteria is an algae and algae make there own food by a process called photosynthesis.Cyanobacteria utilize the energy of sunlight to drive photosynthesis, a process where the energy of light is used to split water molecules into oxygen, protons, and electrons. While most of the high-energy electrons derived from water are utilized by the cyanobacterial cells for their own needs, a fraction of these electrons are donated to the external environment via electrogenic activity. Cyanobacterial electrogenic activity is an important microbiological conduit of solar energy into the biosphere.
So ALL living things must be able to eat and drink.
Also Cyanobacteria does eat things.
In conclusion Fire and Water are not living things.
I know what the water cycle is. In your original argument, you simply said that water cannot reproduce. You failed to preclude one form of water producing a different form of water, a type of reproduction.
Mitochondria are not necessary for life. There exist amitochondrial organisms which lack mitochondria. A cell wall is not necessary for life either. Humans do not have cell walls, but they are alive. Because there are living things which lack mitochondria and some which lack cells walls, fire and water do not need either in order to be considered living things.
Cyanobacteria don't eat, per se; they're autotrophs. They derive their energy from the sun, but that is not akin to eating. Saying that blue-green algae eats is like saying a car drinks gasoline. It's not technically correct.
Besides, you're modifying your definition of "living thing." You're committing the goal post fallacy. Don't add new criteria to the argument.
Fire can move and grow but it can NOT reproduce,excrete,respire,and it doesn't have a circulation system.(it cant eat or drink.)
Same goes with water,water cant reproduce,excrete,respire and it doesn't have a circulation system. Its NOT a living thing.
A non-living living thing. In order for water to be a living thing it needs to pass the four tests listed below. ( Got this from my 7th grade science book)
1. All life forms contain deoxyribonucleic acid, which is called DNA.
2. All life forms have a method by which they take energy from the surroundings, and convert it into energy that helps them live.
3. All life forms can sense changes in their surroundings and respond to those changes.
4. All life forms reproduce.
As we can see water can't reproduce, can't take in energy to make it live, and does not have DNA. In order to make be classified as a living thing, it can't even not pass one test; it has to pass all four. But water does pass the third test, since the water crystals react to words and music. (Find out more at Dr. Emtemo's website about water crystals.)
Overall we can obviously conclude that water is not a living thing.
Also Cyanobacteria do eat things! They make there own FOOD by using Photosynthesis.It eats!
So in conclusion Water and Fire is Not a living thing
Here is a link of a teacher/scientist talking about living and non living things.Please click the link below.
Other than the fallacy, all you did was repost the same argument from round two. You ignored my rebuttal from the second round, so I have nothing new to say.
As a disclaimer, I fully understand that fire and water are not considered living things. But your presented reason is fallacious and unconvincing.
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Vote Placed by donald.keller 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Everything was rather equal. Pro did, however refute every claim. Con made weak and unwarranted claims, like said they can not reproduce because their isn't a boy and girl cloud..................... ya..... Con shifted the Goal Poles, and so loses Conduct.
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