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Somnambulist
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LR4N6FTW4EVA
Con (against)
Losing
22 Points

Firefly was one of the best shows on Fox and shouldn't have been cancelled.

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Started: 5/25/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Somnambulist

Pro

Let me just thank my opponent in advance for accepting this debate and I wish him/her the best of luck. Also, to win, my opponent has to convince me and/or the general public that Firefly deserved to be cancelled and/or is a shitty show in general.

First, Firefly was a show on Fox a while back and it was by far my favorite show pretty much of all time. I have my reasons for this, and I intend to prove each one of them in turn.

One: Acting

First of all the acting is phenomenal. Nathan Fillion, Adam Baldwin, Alan Tudyk, Jewel Staite, Summer Glau, Gina Torres, Ron Glass, Morena Baccarain, and Sean Maher make up an amazing cast who are all as original as characters can be in this day and age and all have their clever and funny moments. The majority of them have gone on to do many other films or T.V. shows or both, or have done amazing work in the past. Also they all went on to star in an amazing movie based on the film.

Two: Writing

Joss Whedon was the director of the series and he picked Tim Minear to be his show runner/assistant director and they picked an amazing writing staff who have all written for several shows and even some movies in the past. The writing is original in that it may take from several different styles of film and television but it takes aforementioned styles and combines them into one beautiful style. It found a way to be funny, dramatic, full of action, suspenseful, and sad almost in every episode or throughout the movie. I have never seen a television show that can do all of those emotions and do them well without it being forced and/or well, for lack of a better word, crappy.
LR4N6FTW4EVA

Con

I personally have never seen Firefly, although I have heard that it is phenomenal. What I do know is that it had bad ratings near the end of its run, and that's what I'll base my case around.

Fox is a company, they want to make money. The way television stations make money is through sales of ad spots. Spots for a popular show are high-priced, as the demand is high, while on an unpopular show, the demand is low, so the prices are low. Firefly unfortunately was not popular enough to be kept on air, so it had to be canceled. Its ratings in 2002 hit 2.4/4 (http://www.storypundit.com...). This is not profitable enough to be kept on air. Even if it was a good show, Fox has no obligation to keep a show that costs them rather than makes them money. So while I don't contend your first part of the resolution, I feel that Fox is allowed to make money, and canceling Firefly was necessary.
Debate Round No. 1
Somnambulist

Pro

Fair enough
it might have had poor ratings in the begining
but
they were gonna cancel it earler than they did
but
the fans raised money and the ratings
and then they completed the series
so
that shows that the ratings would have gone up, had they kept the series going
plus it has an amazing fan base
and they made a lot of money on the movie
and yet, Fox still killed the idea for the next season
LR4N6FTW4EVA

Con

Many shows have devoted fanbases, but that does not mean that the show will be profitable enough. Fox waited for it to be profitable, but they couldn't wait forever, Fox needs to make money, it's as simple as that.
Debate Round No. 2
Somnambulist

Pro

sarsin makes a wondeful point
joss has shown his shows can go on for the long haul
and I'm saying that if fox hadn't killed it
it could have gone on for a long time
and made money
they didn't even give it a chance
and a one season isn't a chance
It could have brought enough ratings and money to make it profitable
The fan base was amazing
and still is
LR4N6FTW4EVA

Con

I have only two points

1. Just because you think it could have made a comeback isn't enough. Obviously, Fox, the company who by law can really do anything with the show, disagreed with you.

2. The fan base of a show is not always indicative of its popularity. Shows may have a devoted fan base, but not a large following outside of that fan base. Just because Firefly had such enthusiastic fans does not suggest that the show will become more popular.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by CaliBeachgirl 9 years ago
CaliBeachgirl
It is defintly clear who should win this. The debate was won by LR4N6FTW4EVA (long confusing name...but not the point) He made clear and decise statments. He showed exactly why the show was canceled and that FOX had the right and reason to do so. One may say that he didn't win because he didn't disagree with the whole question. He made it known, didn't try to hide it, and I believe that should satisfy that particular question.

Keep up the Good Work :)
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
I must disagree with your line of thought, critterice. In this debate, it was CON's goal to show that the resolution was false. Claiming that firefly is one of the best shows, but it it deserved to be canceled conflicts with the resolution. Now if the resolution had said Either firefly was one of the best shows on fox OR it shouldn't have been canceled, then your RFD would be valid.

As for my RFD, I believe CON won as his round 1 gave him the objective advantage in this debate.
Posted by gahbage 9 years ago
gahbage
He didn't refute it, because he didn't prove that the ratings were going up in a reasonable time frame. It also may not have reached enough ratings.
Posted by critterrice 9 years ago
critterrice
Pro refuted con's statement about the ratings by saying that the ratings were improving. Con actually agreed with one of Pro's statements. If you concede 1 point then you admit the fallability of your defense and have lost.
Posted by gahbage 9 years ago
gahbage
But Pro didn't refute Con's points. Con showed the obvious: The object of a TV show is to make money, and Firefly apparently didn't make enough money in a reasonable time frame.
Posted by critterrice 9 years ago
critterrice
Also, part of the challenge said it was one of the best shows on Fox. Con conceded half of the argument when he said all of his friends told him how great it was. Point conceded, Victory to pro.
Posted by critterrice 9 years ago
critterrice
Pro showed the trend. Neither party had a perfect argument as no ctual data was referenced, but Pro was more convincing to me.
Posted by gahbage 9 years ago
gahbage
CON obviously won. Why are so many people voting pro?
Posted by sarsin 9 years ago
sarsin
It could have been a potential moneymaker for Fox had they not tried their best to bungle it all up. The always changed the night it was on, and showed the episodes out of order. Joss has shown his shows can go for the long hall (Buffy went 7 seasons, Angel went 5).
Posted by Logical-Master 9 years ago
Logical-Master
Easy debate to win. Cite ratings, cite that Fox is a business, cute purpose of business, and one has a pretty objective win. All of that without even having to address the quality of the show.
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