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inrainbows
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willhenry20
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Flag Burning.....

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Started: 2/27/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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inrainbows

Pro

It should be legal because it is are basic right. Its not unpatriotic either because we as Americans can choose how to represent ourselves.
willhenry20

Con

The Act of flag burning does not acheive its purpose!, it attacks the nation, the people, and the society within it rather than attacking the governement. If it is your goal to protest the government then so be it, but flag burning does not acheive this goal in any manor effectively.

I believe in protesting the government. But the flag burning shows disrespect towards citizens within the country. It is ones own right to disrespect there country but they should not disrespect other people with different points of view. Flag burning is unfocused hatred and is an unnecessary showing of discontent towards the country and its people.

"There are many other forms of nonviolent protest that remain available to protesters who seem to have no shortage of creativity," Lynch said. "This is one they can do without."

U.S. Rep. Stephen F. Lynch (D-South Boston)
Debate Round No. 1
inrainbows

Pro

"The Act of flag burning does not achieve its purpose!, it attacks the nation, the people, and the society within it rather than attacking the governement"

-It doesn't attack the nation. The United States uses the American Flag as its symbol, but who represents the U.S.? The Government does. So in times of needed change, the act of burning a flag should be used.

"If it is your goal to protest the government then so be it, but flag burning does not achieve this goal in any manor effectively."

-How does burning a flag not spread the message of change in a effective manor? It's symbolizing that we need a change in this country, not a hatred towards it.

-Flag Burning is a patriotic act done by people who care deeply enough about our freedoms to challenge the government when it becomes a threat to the people. Patriots who love America burn flags in hope that change will come.

Just like you have the power to raise your flag at school or at a church, we have the right to burn a flag. Much like raising the flag, it represents something. Raising the flag can represent the praising of this country or support of are imperialistic ways. The burning of a flag to some could represent extreme hatred to this country(and for some burners I'm sure this is the reason) or it could represent a need for change, a sign of hope.

The flag itself to some represents freedom. If you agree with that, then you should be a flag burner supporter because our freedom is being slowly taken away in the name of protecting us from terrorist who we originally created and trained to fight the Russians secretly.
willhenry20

Con

Burning a flag is not an act of communication, it in no way achieves its goals of protesting the government and it offends Americans of all races and creeds who believe in a strong America. Everyone has their right to free speech, however if you are involving others by attacking them and their American life then flag burning shouldn't be allowed. With Flag burning banned there would still be many ways to protest the government that do not attack or involve any other people. By banning flag burning ones rights to freedom of speech are not being taken away, it is merely protecting the rights of the millions of other people that are openly patriotic and feel flag burning to be highly offensive. The act of flag burning can be comparable to the burning of the cross by the Ku Klux Klan.

We can imagine no more appropriate response to burning a flag than waving one's own, no better way to counter a flag burner's message than by saluting the flag that burns, no surer means of preserving the dignity even of the flag that burned than by - as one witness here did - according its remains a respectful burial.

-- Justice William J. Brennan, from his majority opinion in Texas v. Johnson (1989)

The ideas of liberty and equality have been an irresistible force in motivating leaders like Patrick Henry, Susan B. Anthony, and Abraham Lincoln, schoolteachers like Nathan Hale and Booker T. Washington, the Philippine Scouts who fought at Bataan, and the soldiers who scaled the bluff at Omaha Beach. If those ideas are worth fighting for - and our history demonstrates that they are - it cannot be true that the flag that uniquely symbolizes their power is not itself worthy of protection from unnecessary desecration.

-- Justice John Paul Stevens, from his dissent in Texas v. Johnson (1989)

The flag represents a strong, healthy and free America. And burning it stands to attack everything inside its borders and history. Flag burning SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.
Debate Round No. 2
inrainbows

Pro

"Burning a flag is not an act of communication, it in no way achieves its goals of protesting the government and it offends Americans of all races and creeds who believe in a strong America."

-The act of burning a flag to some can be considered offensive. But in time of revolutionary needs people are always offended by radial protesters. Do you think when we were in need of being free from Britain that certain people who disagree with your views weren't offended when we threw tea over board? This country was born off radical beliefs and it will only change through those thoughts and actions. The act of burning a flag is a radical action calling the people to rise up and defend their liberties from the government who is taking them away.

"Everyone has their right to free speech, however if you are involving others by attacking them and their American life then flag burning shouldn't be allowed."

-The act of burning a flag does in no way attack the people of America unless interpreted that way. I can't speak for everyone who has burnt a flag, but I'm pretty sure it is done to show their disbelief towards our government, not the country and its people. When a flag is being burnt and you see it, you have to be a little tweaked out to think their hating on you and your country. The flag does represent our personal freedom as a country, but like I have said, who represents this country? The government.

"The act of flag burning can be comparable to the burning of the cross by the Ku Klux Klan."

I think its a little extreme to compare radical people who burn flags to the KKK who killed thousands of people. The people who burn flags aren't going around and killing Americans, their simply showing their views through radical actions. I do agree with you on one point though, some people do take it really offensively, but most people who do tend to be sheeple(people who follow everything their told by their masters[such as the government] and don't question anything. Much like a herd of sheep).

"The ideas of liberty and equality have been an irresistible force in motivating leaders like Patrick Henry, Susan B. Anthony, and Abraham Lincoln, schoolteachers like Nathan Hale and Booker T. Washington, the Philippine Scouts who fought at Bataan, and the soldiers who scaled the bluff at Omaha Beach. If those ideas are worth fighting for - and our history demonstrates that they are - it cannot be true that the flag that uniquely symbolizes their power is not itself worthy of protection from unnecessary desecration.
-- Justice John Paul Stevens, from his dissent in Texas v. Johnson (1989)"

-Yes their ideas are worth fighting for and are flag do represent those ideas. But when the time comes and we need to stand up and fight for those freedoms again, the act of burning a flag is a tool that we can use. The flag represents those ideas of freedom and the government regulates those ideas through their control, so in a time like now, we need to stand up and fight back. Show are anger towards them.
willhenry20

Con

The act of flag burning intrudes on other peoples rights.
Flag burning should not be legal.
Flag burning does not communicate protest in any sort of intelligent manner.
Flag burning attacks people who have fought hard to build a sae and free america that we all live in.
Debate Round No. 3
inrainbows

Pro

Well we seem to fumbling around the same issues theirs not much else to say. Just the different opinions. We will leave it up to the voters.
willhenry20

Con

Well, I could continue debating this for days. But seeing as you have not written an argument in Round 4 there is nothing for me to argue against.

Flag burning is not constitutional and should be illegal!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Hypnodoc 6 years ago
Hypnodoc
If we are to ban flag burning then we should ban ALL flag burning. Of course the only legal way to dispose of a flag is to burn it. The issue is that Burning a flag has more meaning than one would think flags are burned for several reasons they are a public display of dissent nothing more. Some of the most common reasons for flag burning are.

As a protest against a country's foreign policy.

To distance oneself from the foreign or domestic policies of one's home country.

As a protest at the very laws prohibiting the actions in question.

As a protest against nationalism.

As a protest against the government in power in the country, or against the country's form of government.

If we sensor this what is next No public speaking against the government?

We live in a free country but we must always remember that "Dissent must not be confused with Disloyalty, when the loyal opposition dies America will die with it."

Murrow
Posted by polka-dots323 6 years ago
polka-dots323
Flag burning is a strong sign of disrespect. Period. It should not be legal because it offends and dishonors the United States of America. The flag is a sign of the USA and burning it shows that you don't really care about this country. It represents America. Flag burning should NOT be legal.
Posted by Korezaan 6 years ago
Korezaan
"Burning a flag is not an act of communication, it in no way achieves its goals of protesting the government and it offends Americans of all races and creeds who believe in a strong America"

People get offended at every little piece of ****; just because flag burning "offends" some people does not mean it should be outlawed.

"With Flag burning banned there would still be many ways to protest the government that do not attack or involve any other people."

Under your line of reasoning, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER THAT GOES AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT OFFENDS --SOMEBODY--. Actually, under your line of reasoning WE SHOULD ALL JUST SIT ON OUR BEDS CLOSE OUR EYES AND NOT DO ANYTHING CAUSE ANYTHING WE DO CAN OFFEND ANYONE.

"The act of flag burning intrudes on other peoples rights.
Flag burning should not be legal.
Flag burning does not communicate protest in any sort of intelligent manner.
Flag burning attacks people who have fought hard to build a sae and free america that we all live in.
"

What rights?
Uhh yes it should.
"Intelligent" is subjective.
Safe? Free? What bubble do you live in???

RFD:
1) I don't agree with the CON's case
2) I agree with the PRO's case
3) PRO sufficiently affirms
4) CON does not sufficiently block PRO
5) There are too many blind, ignorant patriots on this site

Therefore, PRO.
Posted by Johnicle 6 years ago
Johnicle
I thought this debate brought out a good issue. I however have to side with pro not because I believe that flag burning should be recommended, but simply because it should be their right. Also, the only way I could have voted con was if he could some how prove that ALL Americans percieved it badly. Overall, I believe that Pro successfully proved that flags can be burned to attack the government and everyone who percieved it differently was not the fault of the protestor. It's an unfortunate freedom that people shouldn't have, but by order of America, we must give.

I vote Pro
Posted by nitrogen85 6 years ago
nitrogen85
Con, I feel you are not at all conservative, by observing your views on your profile. I would recomend that you understand what a conservative is before proclaiming to be one.
Posted by inrainbows 6 years ago
inrainbows
It does represent freedom. But aware people know that our freedom is decreasing. congress is so corrupt now, its almost impossible to get a message through them. Are voting system is rigged now, so that doesn't help. I don't necessarily engage in flag burning, but I believe it to be legal as an expression.
Posted by rock022 6 years ago
rock022
Hey inrainbows doesn't it sounds krazy. You want to burn the flag that represents your freedom. And if what you are trying to do is to teach our government, way to go. Others just use the vote, the law or their representatives in Congress. But that's just me. Flag Burning is not Illegal. And after seeing so many people debating on the subject, I guess I have to act and try to make it Illegal to do so.
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