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kn227
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Following Quran Without Hadith Is Acceptable In Islam

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Started: 7/21/2014 Category: Religion
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quranalone08

Pro

Quran does not allow us to follow religious fabrication from clergy members such as imams, priest, scholars and shaykhs. Islam encourages us to use our own minds instead.
kn227

Con

The Qur'an tells Muslims explicitly to follow Muhammed and his words and to obey him. Therefore this is contradiction because the Qur'an itself tells us to obey Muhammed and his teachings and refusing to follow the hadith would be refusing to follow the Qur'an

Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger"s duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. (5: 92).
O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination. (4: 59).
Say: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance.(24: 54).
And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, Allah shall admit him in the Gardens underneath which rivers flow. (4:13)
And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, he has won a great success. (33:71)
And we sent no messenger, but that he should be obeyed by the leave of All"h. (4:64)
Debate Round No. 1
quranalone08

Pro

Sallam thanks your reply.

You said: "The Qur'an tells Muslims explicitly to follow Muhammed".

Actually it does not, there is no verse in Quran which says "follow muhammad" or "obey muhammad" . But there are verses which say "obey the messenger". But Allah doesn't just tell the messenger (Muhammad) to tell his followers to "obey" him. In the Quran Jesus says the same word to to his followers : 43:63 When Jesus came with the proofs, he said, "I have come to you with the wisdom, and to clarify some of the matters in which you dispute. So be aware of God and obey me."

Yes we must "obey" the messengers of god because the messenger is given the duty to deliver the message. If we do not obey the message then how can we be guided to the message in which they are teaching?. Will any messenger and or prophet tell his people "disobey me", the only job of a messenger is to deliver.

--> duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance.(24: 54).

Where does Quran make clear that "obeying the messenger " means following volumes and volumes of reports and oral traditions called "hadiths" ?. Does Quran make clear that the only way to obey the messenger is through the hadiths?.

Because the Quran calls itself the best hadith:

39:23 GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them.

The Quran then calls other Hadiths which are not from God "vain, baseless speech" :

31:6 Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

Allah also asks which hadith is better then God's Hadiths?:

45:6 These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?1
kn227

Con

Well my rebuttal will be pretty simple and straightforward. To see actually whether God tells Muslims to obey Muhammad or not we have to put these verses in context.

For example the verse: O ye who believe! obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is best, and most suitable for final determination. (4: 59).

Muhammad used to recite the verses in front of his followers. If we analyze this verse it says "refer it to Allah and His Messenger". The definition of refer is to mention. Now I'm pretty sure that Muslims believe that there was no Messenger alive except Muhammad at that time so if you put it in context God is actually telling the followers of Islam to obey Muhammed.

If this is not convincing to you consider this verse:

And what Allah restored to His Messenger from the people of the towns - it is for Allah and for the Messenger and for [his] near relatives and orphans and the [stranded] traveler - so that it will not be a perpetual distribution among the rich from among you. And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. [59:7]

God clearly says: "And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from." This verse supports my argument that you should follow what Muhammad has forbidden you to do. And again to deny what Muhammad told you not to do in this case is to deny the Qur'an. And this verse implies that the Qur'an is not complete alone but that Muhammad himself forbids acts not mentioned in the Qur'an.

Furthermore this hadith supports my argument that the Qur'an alone is not complete:

At-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Rafi` and others that Muhammad said: "I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying "I don"t accept it; we didn"t find any such thing in the Book of Allah.'" Sunan at-Tirmidhi, Shakir edition, no. 2663

Al-`Irbad ibn Sariyah reported that Muhammad said: "Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur"an? I tell you, by Allah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur"an, if not more so." (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Khiraj wal-imarah wal-fay')

I reiterate these verses indicate the importance of the Hadiths. This indicates that Muslims should believe everything he said and obey every command he gave. It goes without saying that he has told Muslims things and given instructions in addition to what is in the Qur"an.
Debate Round No. 2
quranalone08

Pro

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kn227

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
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Reasons for voting decision: Double-forfeit at the end and overall a short debate. Con seemed to show that "The messenger" was Muhammed, in context, and that the Quran said to follow him. There wasn't really a rebuttal to that point, so arguments to Con. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.