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Perussi
Pro (for)
The Contender
AngryTortle
Con (against)

For An Experienced Person It Would Be Better To Carry A Sturdy Butter Knife Than A Lethal One

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Started: 3/6/2017 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Perussi

Pro

***This is about self defence***

Rounds:

Round 1 - Acceptance
Round 2 - Arguments
Round 3 - Rebuttals
Round 4 - Defence against rebuttals
Round 5 - Both sides are required to post "i lik 2 lik teh bluudz".

These round rules must be followed or else conduct is forfeited and the possibility of recieving "better arguments" is too.

Definitions:

Experienced person - Someone who is skilled in self defence and particularly in is case, with a knife. They can skillfully defend themselves with a knife. They know what they are doing and have been trained.

Better - Better... Better in most ways. Let's say war. War is bad, people die. But war is good, helps economy. Economically and socially scaled is an example. War is still better although it is not supported socially with the given arguments. You should know what i mean. Everything is thrown together. Not morally, not socially, but better or not.

Sturdy butter knife - Not some cruddy mass-produced butter knife you'd buy in Walmart. One you could maybe drop from a high bridge, stab concrete, or run over with a truck and it would not break. Sturdy. And designed and shaped in a way that is like an average butter knife.

Lethal one - A pocket knife designed for self defence and killing. Capable of killing and such. One designed to cut human flesh.
AngryTortle

Con

Uhm... Okay. I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Perussi

Pro

How would using a sturdy butter knife be more beneficial for self defense than a lethal one?

My argument is that it would still hurt like heck and they don't have to get hurt. The person stabbed would still be injured quite a bit but not possibly fatally. The idea is that the pain would be disabling and surprising. Or they would freak out because they are threatening you with your life (the ideal or worst case scenario situation) and you pull out a non-lethal object but look you know very well what you are doing. The handle can also be used as a bashing weapon. If the blade of the butter knife is by your thumb if you can get their right hand out of the way you would have a nasty shot at the side of their head. Given this is an experienced person it wouldn't matter if the other person had a knife. If the other person had a gun it would require very different protocol but you wouldn't pull a knife on someone threatening you with a gun. If they didn't have a weapon they have no chance of doing anything unless they really know how to fight. In a knife vs knife situation The more experienced person is more likely to win a fight, correct? But the advantage in all of this with the butter knife is that you don't have to seriously injure the assailant. I don't think anyone wants to have to kill someone. Defending yourself is your priority but it requires an offense to defeat an offense. A weapon to defeat a weapon. But what if nobody had to get hurt and justice was more likely to be served? The butter knife is more beneficial to use for self defense if the person with it is experience and trained. And if it is an experienced person trained in self defense they don't really even need a knife to win but it is obviously very helpful. An experienced person could make the cardboard tube of a paper towel roll connect with someone, but for an effective and non-lethal solution a sturdy butter knife is a great choice.
AngryTortle

Con

A lethal knife has more killing potential than a butter knife. But first, what's your definition of experienced? Is it experience as in past experiences or training experiences
For the training experiences one, in self-defence, an experienced person would have a lot more trouble disabling an opponent with a butter knife than a lethal knife. Most "self-defence" tactics are really quite... misleading. No offense to the self-defence tutors, but things NEVER go according to plan. That person right in front of you trying to harm you IS trying to harm you and not just trying to practice with you. They won't do all those fancy jabs and swings. They'll just run towards you and go: stab, stab, stab, stab, stab. They have the intention to kill. A simple butter knife won't do it. For one, even if you do land a hit, that means they'll probably land a hit on you too. Simple, they're probably experienced. A person who's inexperienced won't go alone to thug someone with a knife. They'll probably bring a gang or a gun or something that gives them an advantage. They'll probably also jump you. They'll follow you into an alley or a lone street or whatnot and just suddenly start attacking you. They won't stop 20 metres away from you and yell "Hey! I'm gonna start stabbing you okay. Get ready!". So, what's all of this got to do with self-defence? First of all, having a butter knife is a horrible idea. It's not suited for disarming. Butter knives can only stab or club (I guess?). Their cutting edges are horrible. Knives can stab, slice, and club. In a gun fight, you should probably not pull out a knife in the first place. Plus, you can't find good butter knives these days... Second of all, experience is important in a fight. The more experienced person wins, right? Depends on the experience really. I mean who is more likely to win: a person who is experienced in using a knife or a person who's experienced in using a butter knife. I'm putting my money on the former. Plus, if you're experienced, then you'd know how to actually use a knife in such a way that you are not jeopardizing the life of the person in front of you. Plus, a knife would be great for intimidation.
Debate Round No. 2
Perussi

Pro

By definition here the person could skillfully defend themselves. The point of carrying a weapon to defend yourself is to have a fighting chance. And actually for a group a blunt object would be better because all it has to do is connect somewhere instead of stab or cut something meaningful. A sharp object can also get caught on things. But getting-robbed theory isn't relevent, they can defend themselves and all they have to do is exchange a slash for a stab in a technique called "defanging the snake". Whenever a swing is taken at you you just strike their hand or arm. There is also a huge target. In a fight it is likely the the aggressor will win because of the advantage but the defender has a huge advantage just being the defender. It is actually hard to kill a person. A man with a knife doesn't scare me and it shouldn't scare anyone who knows how to defend themselves. As soon as anyone would land a good hit on some assailant the assailant would know this person is not the person to rob. That's how it works. A cornered animal is also more scary than an attacking one. As long as the defender here isn't blitzkrieged they will win. A blunt weapon is also much more likely to disable something than a cutting weapon. A cutting weapon actually has to cut and break the thing to disable it. A cutting weapon has to cut to hurt. A blunt weapon only has to smack something, it doesn't matter how it hits, it just has to hit. A butter knife also has the effect of seeming harmless, but is still metal. A butter knife is actually a formidable weapon. I think a butter knife would beat a normal knife.
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Debate Round No. 5
11 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
Tick tock...?
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
Experienced person - Someone who is skilled in self defence and particularly in is case, with a knife. They can skillfully defend themselves with a knife. They know what they are doing and have been trained.
Posted by AngryTortle 1 year ago
AngryTortle
:P. Forgot. Good thing I didn't write the other one.
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
"experienced person" is defined in the definitions set forth.
Posted by What50 1 year ago
What50
If someone is skilled with a sturdy knife than they should know how to defend themselves with it. Plus you don't have to kill someone in self defense.
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
I considered carrying a butter knife yesterday and now i will. (when i start carrying) I also want a kriss.
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
Yes there are, plenty. I wouldn't start a debate if i didn't have a massive argument behind it.
Posted by SkySky16 1 year ago
SkySky16
whats the point of having a less lethal weapon, there are literally no advantages to this
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
I should specify self defence...
Posted by Perussi 1 year ago
Perussi
I should specify self defence...
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