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wingnut2280
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Fox news is fair and balanced

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/11/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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bigbass3000

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Fox News has been getting a lot of bad press, saying it is not telling the truth or is to far to the right, now I am going to give examples of how it is fair and balanced. according to a statistic, Fox News is about 50-50 with positives and negatives with politcal candidates. Meaning they had positive things and negatives things said on each candidate, in a about a equal per portion. MSNBC, has been bashing Hillary with about 68% negative comments and only 24% negative things about Barack. CNN is a 55-45 differance with candidates, now it swings, to each side, but Fox news so far has been fair and balanced this election season. Also, I know of course their are going to be liberal media sites, that will have biases themselves, but that is why Fox News has such a bad wrap, is because people, only focus on the negatives, not the positives.
wingnut2280

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Let me start by saying that I am a HUGE fan of FOXNEWS. I watch it for hours.

That being said, there is no way they are fair and balanced. I would like to see this study if you have a link to it.

Nearly every pundant on FOXNEWS has a conservative bias. Additionally, every expert they bring on are conservatives. Even the liberals they do bring on are people like Allan Colmes, who are studdering idiots and who are just there for camera time and to make Hannity look even better. The other liberals are people like Dick Morris who are either incredibly moderate or get no air time when invited on the show.

The station has a clear conservative bias. I don't think they skew facts or anything like that, but they do make it very easy for conservatives to appear right against weak liberals.

While the majority of the media has a large liberal bias, FOX serves as the counterweight to that.

Again, I am a big fan of FOXNEWS, but they are baised, I have to admit.
Debate Round No. 1
bigbass3000

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Many in the media have been enchanted with Barack Obama; Lee Cowan of NBC News actually admitted that "it's almost hard to remain objective." Meanwhile, MSNBC's Chris Matthews claimed that Hillary Clinton won her Senate seat only because "her husband messed around." The Factor talked about media attitudes with Michelle Bernard of the conservative Independent Women's Forum "Welcome to the era of advocacy journalism," Bernard said. "Many members of the media pick their favorites, and a large segment of the population is willing to accept this." Echoing Dick Morris, Bernard predicted that reporters will soon turn on Barack Obama. "Our media like to build somebody up and then tear them apart. They have built Obama up, and now I think they're going to tar and feather him." The Factor decried the lack of objectivity in many outlets. "There's no question that Senator Obama has received favorable coverage, especially from the left-wing media. NBC News is rooting for him openly, and we in the media should not be playing this game.",http://www.billoreilly.com...

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University surveyed evening news programs and concluded that Fox News has been the fairest during this campaign. The study's author Robert Lichter, a Fox News media analyst, elaborated on his findings. "We look at every sound bite related to the election and categorize every time something nice or nasty is said about a candidate. Fox came out about 50-50 on the Republican candidates and about 50-50 on the Democrats." The Factor warned Lichter to expect some backlash. "You said Fox News was the most fair, and when the loons on the far left hear that they're going to hate you."
http://www.cmpa.com...

These results are from CMPA's 2008 ElectionNewsWatch Project. They are based on a scientific content analysis of all 481 election news stories (15 hours 40 minutes of airtime) that aired on the flagship evening news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX (the first 30 minutes of "Special Report with Brit Hume") from October 1 through December 15, 2007.

Hillary Pilloried? On-air evaluations of Hillary Clinton were nearly 3 to 2 negative (42% positive vs. 58% negative comments), while evaluations of her closest competitor Barack Obama was better than 3 to 2 positive (61% positive vs. 39% negative). John Edwards attracted much less coverage, but his evaluations were 2 to 1 positive (67% positive vs. 33% negative). Sen. Clinton was evaluated more often than all her Democratic opponents combined.

Examples: "Critics say her best known Senate vote, on Iraq, was driven by politics, not by principle."

– Andrea Mitchell, NBC "She was widely blamed for a health care policy so secretive and complex it died at birth." – Major Garrett,

FOX "I've been inspired [by Obama] to believe that a new vision is possible for America." – Oprah Winfrey, FOX

51% positive vs. 49% negative, as were all evaluations of GOP candidates – 49%
positive vs. 51% negative, producing a perfectly balanced 50-50 split for all candidates of both parties

Now all I am saying, is they may be conservative, but they are giving positive and negatives on both sides in this example. Read the article.
wingnut2280

Con

Sure, other media sources are biased. Thats not relevant to the topic though.

Your stats only prove that FOX bashes Obama and Hillary equally. That doesn't say anything to the fact of comparing republicans to democrats or conservatives to liberals. FOX continually posts conservative pundants on every show they have. Not only are all of there shows conservative, which I personally don't have a problem with, when liberal pundants come on, they are often stupid and incoherent, like Allan Colmes.

While FOX does provide the facts, its also important to note what light those facts are presented in and who is presenting them. They have a clear conservative tilt, which you don't deny. I don't see how there is any room left for debate.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by bigbass3000 9 years ago
bigbass3000
It does not matter, what your opinions are, it is the facts, that rule, not Your opinions and the facts say they are fair.
Posted by DoctaFly 9 years ago
DoctaFly
People who actually thin k Fox News is fair, balanced, responsible, honest, forthright, even serious, are more delusional than the babbling idiot at the local nuthouse.
Posted by mindjob 9 years ago
mindjob
Unlike with FOX, CNN has an even panel of conservatives and liberals when they're discussing political issues. I watch both regularly, and the only time I have watched overt bias on CNN that was not evenly challenged by someone else on CNN's payroll was when they were interviewing Crefloe Dollar regarding probes into preacher expenditures and church balance sheets. Fox is routinely unbalanced by who they have on their panels. In addition to Harold Ford jr, the only other competent liberal I've seen on Fox is some blonde woman that they have regularly outnumbered by uber-conservatives or shouted down by O'Reilly. CNN employs a number of very conservative people, including Ralph Reed, founding executive director of the Christian Coalition. Fox is, by far, much more overt in its bias, which is evident in every facet of its broadcasting. From Fox and Friends in the morning, to Red Eye at night, Fox is nothing but an unending introduction and study of conservative thought and expression.
Posted by wingnut2280 9 years ago
wingnut2280
You're always going to think that people who agree with you aren't biased. I do that with the liberal media. You have to look at it objectively. They are all biased, FOX just gets the brunt of it because they are essentially the lone conservative outlet in a sea of left-leaning channels.
Posted by wingnut2280 9 years ago
wingnut2280
Its important to note that other channels are biased as well, sometimes more so. CNN with anderson cooper and the "best political team" couldn't be more obvious about their views. Same with basic news channels like NBC. Even shows like the Daily Show are biased, so fox just gets a bad rap because their bias swings the 'wrong' way.
Posted by mindjob 9 years ago
mindjob
The fact that they have very conservative talk show hosts on routinely, with the anchors saying they listen all the time and they will listen again as the interview winds down, tips their hand as well. Carl Rove is now a political contributer during the primaries, and most likely will be during the general election. Newt Gingrich is a regular guest, as well as Ann Coulter. Whenever they bring on a number of people to discuss something, they almost always have one democrat on flanked by two or three republicans, not to mention the anchors on the show. There is no possible way any reasonable person could come to any other conclusion other than fox has done more to degrade the ethics of professional journalism than any other organization by permanently blurring the lines between news and commentary. They ought to be sued for false advertising.

And aside from Keith Olberman on MSNBC, the majority of both CNN and MSNBC are as objective as you're going to get in 24-hour news channels. Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck didn't have jobs on CNN before Fox made conservative nut jobs popular, and Keith Olberman wasn't the left-wing spinner he is now before Fox started it all. Fox created the problem they rail against most. It's like al Qaeda in Iraq. We based a lot of our justification for war on the idea that al Qaeda was in Iraq before we went in. They didn't show up until we broke the country. This seems to be a trend for conservatives.
Posted by Rob1Billion 9 years ago
Rob1Billion
Bigbass, the only way I would have considered voting for you is if you meant that topic as a joke. Hannity is so biased to the right it is ridiculous. O'Reilly is probably even to the right of him! Is Allan Colmes supposed to be the counterwieght for that station? That squirrelly looking coward doesn't stand a chance against hannity!
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