Free Will Does Not Exist
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Free will (for the purpose of this discussion) shall be considered as "The ability to choose of one's own mechanism, or to choose without coercion from an internal or external environment". A little more simply, free will means someone chose something not through instinct.
My stance: Free will does not exist in humanity*.
Your stance: Free will does exist, and humanity has it*.
*i.e., no arguments such as: "Even if we don't have free will, that doesn't mean it can't exist."
You may begin.
A) Mary Sue chose to eat the waffles because she wanted to.
---- One does not choose one's wants, therefore something outside of her control influenced her decision, meaning she had no will in the matter.
B) Mary Sue chose to eat the waffles because she did not want to.
---- The fact that she chose to eat them despite her dislike proves that she had some other motivation, some "even though I don't like them, I still did it because...", thus causing this rationale to be fallacious.
C) Mary Sue chose to eat the waffles because she "felt like it".
---- We cannot control our feelings, therefore it was out of her control.
D) Mary Sue doesn't know why she chose the waffles.
---- This is almost self-evident, as if one is not sure why they did something, then that means the "choice" was rooted in subconscious desires and influences and therefore not conscious, a main part of our definition for free will.
Etcetera. This can go on. Think of any decision, no matter how complicated, counter-intuitive, muggy, or convoluted, there is always a motivation. To show the process of a more complicated decision, I will explain how I was coerced into starting this argument:
A teacher assigned an essay explaining free will and how it pertains to our society. My nature (personality, instinct, reflex, etc.) caused me to think of all the reasons the essay was inane. One reason was that free will cannot exist. My subconscious memory clung to this concept, forcing an obsession on me so I continually dwelled on the topic. My obsession also wrought an incessant need to share it, something characteristic of obsessions. Thus plagued by a need to discuss, debate, free will, I Googled "debate website", and debate.org was produced. I clicked it because in my experience, concise websites ending in ".org" are generally superior to shady ".com"s. I saw a button that said, "begin debate", and I was motivated to begin this on my own.
Did I choose to do this? No. I was motivated. We cannot control how or when we are motivated, and therefore we cannot control our choices.
Sdio forfeited this round.
Anyone who wishes a PROPER debate, please comment your interest and I'll begin a new debate (I will use a different argument as well, if you wish).
Also, anyone interested in any related debates, such as, "Can a society function if there is no free will?," or "Does the Bible/Torah actually allude to free will?" or whatever, comment and I'd enjoy to argue with you!
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