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Free Will

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Started: 4/30/2013 Category: Science
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Chaser98

Con

I propose free will does not exist. My opponent will be arguing that free will does exist.

Free Will- The power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

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moviemaster

Pro

Sorry for the delay, laptop ran out of power.
I'll argue that free will does exist, and that people make choices that are uninfluenced by any higher power.
Debate Round No. 1
Chaser98

Con

No problem moviemaster.

Here is three examples of why free will does not exist.

1. Free will doesn't exist being God created us the way we are, gave everyone the mind that they have, that really wouldn't be free will. He has already predetermined everyone's mind. For example if you put a non-atheist person in a group of people that are atheist, the atheist group will try an make that non-atheist become atheist, so that would make his or her have a skeptic mind. The second statement below will back up my evidence for the first statement.

2. Indeed, historically speaking, philosophers have had plenty to say on the matter. Their ruminations have given rise to such considerations as cosmological determinism (the notion that everything proceeds over the course of time in a predictable way, making free will impossible), indeterminism (the idea that the universe and our actions within it are random, also making free will impossible), and cosmological libertarianism/compatibilism (the suggestion that free will is logically compatible with deterministic views of the universe).

Now, while these lines of inquiry are clearly important, one cannot help but feel that they're also terribly unhelpful and inadequate. What the debate needs is some actual science " something a bit more...testable.

And indeed, this is starting to happen. As the early results of scientific brain experiments are showing, our minds appear to be making decisions before we're actually aware of them " and at times by a significant degree. It's a disturbing observation that has led some neuroscientists to conclude that we're less in control of our choices than we think " at least as far as some basic movements and tasks are concerned.

At the same time, however, not everyone is convinced. It may be a while before we can truly prove that free will is an illusion.

These two examples all fall into the same realm, the first one that non-atheist person becomes atheist because he/she was put into a group of people that believe in atheism, making that non-atheist person believe in their views over time. which in the other "our minds appear to be making decisions before we're actually aware of them." That is a sign that our minds are predetermined. So going back to my first statement saying God has predetermined out actions that was a prime example of predetermination.

I had used my own example for the first one but used second example from the source below.
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moviemaster

Pro

For your argument you state that are minds are predetermined and can be affected involuntarily. So would this also apply to the bodies reflexes. In the first part of the round, you use the example of the atheists trying to turn the non-atheist. This could be viewed as human nature, but a person can choose to reject that nature if they choose to. The human mind is capable of many things, which also includes becoming aware of patterns which are used to define human nature. Becoming aware of the pattern, a person can act out of their nature if they choose to or simply just make surprising choices.
Debate Round No. 2
Chaser98

Con

Chaser98 forfeited this round.
moviemaster

Pro

I'm just posting this to end the debate, so farewell and good luck.
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