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Freedom Of Religion: Secular Law/Society Vs. Islamic Law/Society

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Voting Style: Judge Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/12/2017 Category: Society
Updated: 1 week ago Status: Challenge Declined
Viewed: 4,252 times Debate No: 75772
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Yassine

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Full Resolution:


{ Overall, Freedom Of Religion In Secular Law &/or Society Is Superior To Freedom Of Religion In Islamic Law &/or Society. }

* Secular/Islamic Society = society under Secular/Islamic Law.



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I. No knowledge of Islamic Law is required from Pro. Pro has the BOP to only prove that the western-secular-democratic system is superior to the Islamic system in the aspect of Freedom of Religion.

II.
Due to the fact that the legal tradition in Islamic Law is extremely vast & diversified, for practical purposes, the range of Islamic Law in this is debate will be limited to positions that are:
1. Representative of the majority opinion.
2. Stronger (as opposed to weaker).
3. Most widely used.
4. Deemed most pertinent to the present day scenario.

III. The elements of the Western-secular legal tradition relevant to this debate will include the North American, European &/or Australian legal traditions (This option is negotiable). Thus, Pro must argue for a legal system that involves:
1. Democracy.
2. Secularism (in state & society).
3. Laicism.

IV. All sources on Islamic Law must be authoritative & authentic. Thus:
1. Non-Islamic sources will be wholly inadmissible, as they evidently don't speak for the Islamic Tradition.
2. Admissible Islamic sources are: the Qur'an, the Hadith (only dependable ones).
3. To prevent abuse of Islamic sources other than the above admissible ones, only Con will be permitted to invoke them (those other than the above admissible ones) & will be required to justify the legitimacy of such sources.

V. All sources on Western Law must equally be authoritative & authentic. (clauses to be laid out later).

VI. Non-legal sources will also have to be reliable (such as the Pew Research Centre), & they will have to be directly linked to the legal framework.

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Posted by wmickas 2 days ago
wmickas
yassen I do want to debate this topic and I believe that you will find my arguments interesting
Posted by Debating_Horse 3 days ago
Debating_Horse
Does an Islamic society allow for religious freedom? I do not think so!
Posted by Yassine 6 days ago
Yassine
@ wmickas

- Thank you for your interest. I'll wait for other to express their interest first & then chose a contender.

- How do see women's rights relevant to the resolution? What would be your points of contention? Your chief objections?
Posted by wmickas 1 week ago
wmickas
Hi Yassine, I would like to do this debate with you. Here is some of the questions that I would be answering in the course of this debate.

Which is superior Islamic law or secular society? To answer this question we would have to answer some distinct questions. How do both of these systems of laws benefit both Muslims and non-Muslims since there are Muslims, non-Muslims and former Muslims all over the world? How do both of these systems benefit women's rights? Do you have to follow a certain religion to be considered safe in either of these systems of law? Is there a system in either one of these systems of law where could add or remove laws as society changes?

In the course of this debate, I will compare the Muslim sources to western sources to provide answers to these questions and by the end of this debate you could see why I feel confident that secular law is superior to Islamic law.
Posted by Goldtop 1 week ago
Goldtop
Lol, It sure is easy for you to lie, Yassine. That's why no one wants to debate you.

"No compulsion in religion" indeed. Jizya is Muhammad's extortion of non-Muslims.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Posted by Yassine 1 week ago
Yassine
@Goldtop

- Jizyah is not a religious tax... Zakat is. Stick around.
Posted by Goldtop 1 week ago
Goldtop
Secular laws don't demand paying religious taxes.
Islamic law demands taxes (Jizyah)

Secular laws allow freedom from religion
Islamic laws do not allow freedom from religion

Done.
Posted by Yassine 2 weeks ago
Yassine
@ The-Voice-of-Truth

- I certainly hope not.
Posted by The-Voice-of-Truth 2 weeks ago
The-Voice-of-Truth
It seems like, based off of the rules, the main portion of the debate will entail arguing over sources, whether they are autoritative and correct, etc rather than the substance of the revolution.
Posted by Yassine 2 weeks ago
Yassine
@ The-Voice-of-Truth

- It would be a debate alright. Buy why do you say that?
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