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Typhlochactas
Con (against)
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The Contender
Magicr
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Gasking's Objection to the Ontological Argument is Valid

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Started: 3/5/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Typhlochactas

Con

Ave! I have seen Magicr use Gasking's Objection to the Ontological Argument in his debates. I feel that this objection is extremely sophomoric and unsophisticated. So, I've decided to challenge him on it.

Glasking's Objection

P1: The creation of the universe is the greatest achievement imaginable.

P2: The merit of an achievement consists of its intrinsic greatness and the ability of its creator.

P3: The greater the handicap to the creator, the greater the achievement.

P4: The greatest handicap to a creator would be non-existence

P5: Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the creation of an existing creator, we can conceive a greater being — namely, one who created everything while not existing.

C: Therefore, a maximally great creator does not exist.


Logical Validity
A valid argument is one where the conclusion follows from the premises.

[1] http://www.unco.edu...

Vale!
Magicr

Pro

Oh, I suppose I'll take this challenge. I suppose I'm not totally invested in Gasking's Objection. The reason I have previously used it in a debate was simply because I found it amusing and a parody of the ridiculous nature of the ontological argument, and indeed that was the original purpose for which it was conceived. I do, however consider the argument to be logically valid. My problems with the argument reside in the truth of the premises, not with the validity of the argument.

So, here I am.

As my opponent has already so graciously pointed out, the validty of an argument lies in whether the argument's conclusion follows from its premises. I contend that this is the case with Gasking's Objection.

It is really quite easy to see (for me at least) that if the premises are true the conclusion follows logically. So, I will allow my opponent to launch his objections against the validity of the argument.

Debate Round No. 1
Typhlochactas

Con

Magicr and I have agreed to tie this.
Debate Round No. 2
Typhlochactas

Con

Freemasons run the country.
Magicr

Pro

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZNOWIKNOWMYABCSNEXTTIMEWON'TYOUSINGWITHMEEEEEEEEEE.
Debate Round No. 3
Typhlochactas

Con

I will not sing it with you.
Magicr

Pro

I like trains.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by bladerunner060 4 years ago
bladerunner060
Ah. Gotcha. You could had done "is as sound as the ontological argument"...
Posted by Magicr 4 years ago
Magicr
He had meant to make it bout the argument's soundness as well as its validity. He asked if he could make that change in R2 and I explained that agree with him that the argument is unsound. So we agreed on a tie.
Posted by Magicr 4 years ago
Magicr
He had meant to make it bout the argument's soundness as well as its validity. He asked if he could make that change in R2 and I explained that agree with him that the argument is unsound. So we agreed on a tie.
Posted by bladerunner060 4 years ago
bladerunner060
Why the tie?
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Vote Placed by KingDebater 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Tie! Tie? Tie!
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Reasons for voting decision: Derp. Derp a herp a herpaderpydoo
Vote Placed by Magic8000 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Probably one of the most intelligent debates on here.
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Reasons for voting decision: I suppose Typhlochactas decided this was a valid argument after all?