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RonPaulConservative
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kkkkatie126
Con (against)

Gay Marriage; Liberalism (Con) vs Right-Libertarianism (Pro)

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Started: 10/25/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Debating Period
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RonPaulConservative

Pro

We will be debating the Liberal approach to the Gay Marriage issue, represented by my opponents comments:
"Gay people have a right to marry and be happy, even if the bible says it's a sin. God isn't real, there is nothing wrong with gay couples marrying"
As opposed to the Right-Libertarian approach toward Gay Marriage which I will be representing. My arguments will be formed based on the Constitution.
kkkkatie126

Con

I accept this debate. There is nothing wrong with gay marriage.
Debate Round No. 1
RonPaulConservative

Pro

Yes, that's the liberal approach. The Libertarian approach is this:
"I don't really care."
And why should we? Whether these guys chose to be gay or not, or whether there's something wrong with it or not- I don't really care, just keep it out of my face. Thus, rather than advocating for the acknowledgement of gay marriage or the disacknowladgement, Libertarians advocate for the d-federalisation of Marriage, the goveronment has no buisness in marriage, it's a religious institution.


This is primarily because the Constitution says in the 10th Ammendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
Where are these powers that WERE given to the Federal Goveronment? These can be found in Article 1 Section 8:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Section. 9.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

Nowhere in this whole list does it say "to acknowledge marriage." It just isn't there. Furthermore, the 1st Ammendment says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Marriage is a religious institution, and hence the goveronment should have no part of it.


kkkkatie126

Con

If you don't care then why are you having this debate ? And you never provided any evidence that marriage is religious. All you did was copy and paste the entire Constitution.
Debate Round No. 2
RonPaulConservative

Pro

I am trying to argue that not caring about gay marriaage is more rational than caring. Also, I don't really see why I need to prove that marriage is a religious institution, it's called "holy matrimony" after all.
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by tonyrobinson 1 month ago
tonyrobinson
OK was curious and searched Karaite, and it appears to be a certain group of Jewish people. I am neither Jewish by birth or by practice.
Posted by tonyrobinson 1 month ago
tonyrobinson
I have no clue what a Karaite is so I will have to say no.
Posted by RonPaulConservative 1 month ago
RonPaulConservative
@tonyrobinson
Are you a Karaite?
Posted by tonyrobinson 1 month ago
tonyrobinson
I am a strict Constitutionalist, which means that nothing is considered implied. It is either written in the Constitution or it is left to the States per the 10th Amendment. Neither marriage nor sexual preference is mentioned in the Constitution so an laws concerning both should be left to the States. However many wish rewrite the Constitution and say it is "implied" nothing should be considered implied when it comes to the written law.
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