Gay Marriage Should Be Legalized in the U.S.
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| Started: | 8/30/2011 | Category: | Politics |
| Updated: | 1 year ago | Status: | Voting Period |
| Viewed: | 1,482 times | Debate No: | 18110 |
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Definitions: gay marriage noun �The legal marriage between homosexual couples. legalize verb �To make legal, to permit under law. Either by decriminalizing something that had been illegal or by specifically permitting. If you would like to change anything about the format of the debate (rounds,voting period, etc.) just tell me, and I will be glad to meet your demands. |
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To begin, I will state my reasons for supporting marriage between homosexuals.
my first point is that there is no such thing as traditional marriage. Given the prevalence of modern and ancient examples of family arrangements based on polygamy, communal child-rearing, the use of concubines and mistresses and the commonality of prostitution, heterosexual monogamy can be considered "unnatural" in evolutionary terms. My second argument would be from an economic stand point. Gay marriages can bring financial gain to state and local governments. Revenue comes from marriage licenses, higher income taxes (the so-called "marriage penalty"), and decreases in costs for state benefit programs. The Comptroller for New York City found that legalizing gay marriage would bring $142 million to the City's economy and $184 million to the State's economy. Gay marriage will make it easier for same-sex couples to adopt children. In the US, 100,000 children are waiting to be adopted. A longitudinal study published in Pediatrics on June 7, 2010 found that children of lesbian mothers were rated higher than children of heterosexual parents in social and academic competence and had fewer social problems. A July 2010 study found that children of gay fathers were "as well-adjusted as those adopted by heterosexual parents ." sources: economic argument: http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov... adoption argument: http://people.virginia.edu... My opponent now has the opportunity to refute what I have said and present his argument. I thank my opponent for his argument and a chance to debate this issue. I agree with my opponent on his first point. As for his second argument, it is a very good point except that there is a better alternative then giving gays marriage. It would be better to give them Civil Unions, since it would get rid of any religious outcry that could be caused. Civil Unions would give just as much revenue as marriages would. My opponent is right concerning this but, they do not have to be in a marriage to adopt the children. Rather then give them marriages they should be given Civil Unions and the couples would be together and the children would have a stable family to be raised in. My argument The Seperate but Equal Argument According to this argument Homosexuals would be allowed to have Civil Unions with the same benefits as marriages, and therefore equal to heterosexual marriages. Thus, they would be seperate but still equal. Everyone would be happy. Conclusion In conclusion, everything my opponent has put forth is true, but giving homosexuals Civil Unions would be better then marriage. It would make everyone happy, it would allow homosexuals to be together with the same benefits as marriage, it would give religious people what they want, it would give the state its extra revenue, and give adopted children a family Vote Con |
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I thank my opponent for his response, although his views on civil unions don't seem to be as well researched as they may come across.
A civil union is NOT equal to marriage. One of the biggest differences between a civil union and a marriage would be that civil unions do not include federal benefits that are given to married couples. The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) issued in 1996 prohibits same-sex couples from receiving federal marriage rights and benefits. Another equally important difference between civil unions and marriage would be that because civil unions are not recognized by all states, such agreements are not always valid when couples cross state lines. This isn't something that happens to people who have the right to marry. Another example of inequality would be that now, after New Jersey's Civil Union Law took effect, at least 1 out of every 7 civil-union couples in New Jersey are not getting their civil unions recognized by their employers. That is 14 percent of civil unions. If 14 percent of married couples in New Jersey were being denied full, legally guaranteed marriage benefits by their employers, then people would be completely outraged, and there could even be riots in the streets. And as far as adoption goes, under the current state of the law, many gay and lesbian parents are unable to assume full legal parenting rights, which results in children being denied health care coverage from their parents' employers. Children are also being denied survivor benefits when a parent in a same-sex relationship dies. So, in conclusion, I believe I have responded to all of y opponents arguments, and have proved that Civil Unions are NOT equal to a marriage, in any sense of the word. I thank my opponent and the people who are voting. Vote pro. Sources: civil unions: http://www.factcheck.org... DOMA: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov... I thank my opponent for his response. My opponent speaks of civil unions in there current state. The ones I and many other people suchas, President Obama himself are propossing would be equal to marrige. They would have the same rights and and benefits as married couples. No one could deny them these benefits without geting the same response as what my opponent said would happen. No one could stop them from getting any benefits suchas adoption. Civil unions would be equal to marriages. In conclusion, Civil unions can be made equal to marriage with the same benefits and therefore equal. My opponent was not able to refute my argument. Vote Con. http://www.whitehouse.gov... |
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Vote Placed by Cerebral_Narcissist 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con did not really argue.
Vote Placed by Sketchy 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con fails to counter Pro's first arguments, and Con's separate but equal argument is weak at best. Con's only source is Obama agreeing with him, i.e. an appeal to authority fallacy.
Vote Placed by Double_R 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro made valid contentions, while Cons counter argument was invalid. By arguing for an alternative that does the same exact thing as gay marriage, Con validates every case Pro made. Con then fails to show why Civil unions should be implemented over gay marriage other then his contention that "everyone would be happy". Yet no support or logical justification was given to why people would be happy given that equality is the issue for pro gay marriage advocates.
Vote Placed by CD-Host 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro didn't address the counter argument as presented which was civil unions with full benefits. Obviously pro on sources and information.
Vote Placed by thett3 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro's economics argument was actually somewhat compelling, Cons only agument (seperate but equal) was not.
Vote Placed by Puppet911 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: When analyzing the voting criteria at hand, my overall vote must go to PRO. Con rebutted Pro's points, but was left with the undermining bondage of civil unions, which I feel wasn't taken care of all that well. It was close either way.
Vote Placed by kohai 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: not a good debate. Actually, PRO clearly shown why civil unions=/=Marriage. (More analysis in comments)




















First of all, learn at least how to punctuate sentences. Second, that makes no sense. Now we have something called artificial insemination, so if that were a problem, then we could just go that rout. It can, and HAS worked before.
Sources: PRO simply used more sources than CON, although I feel it could have been much better sources used.
Arguments: PRO showed why civil unions=/=marriage. Rememebr that separate but equal is never equal. It is a form of discrimination, dehumanizing people, and forcing them to be unequal.
Overall, this was a poor debate. CON I'd gladly debate you on this.
If you change the Voting Period from indefinite to a reasonable length of time (suggest two weeks), I'll accept. There is an argument against Gar Marriage that I came across recently, and this might help me to thrash it out.