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dsayshi257
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18Karl
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Gay Marriage

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18Karl
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/7/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dsayshi257

Pro

The idea of traditional marriage being between one man and one woman is completely ridiculous and false. Also if the problem with gay marriage is that the couples can't reproduce, that is like saying that anyone who is sterile or infertile should not be allowed to marry. It is insane.
18Karl

Con

FRAMEWORK:

In such a resolution, the opposition has the full resolution to support the notion that Gay Marriage is justified and moral. Since the opposition is the one making a positive claim, opp. holds the full BoP and it is his duty to prove to the house here that Gay Marriage is both just, moral, beneficial to mankind and society. Note the word "and"; as the opposition holds the BoP, he needs to affirm the resolution himself.

Nevertheless, I shall go on with defining the term 'gay marriage'

Def.1 Gay marriage is defined as the union of two male spouses

OBJECTIONS:

a) Traditions

The problem the opposition brings here is that he sounds awfully anti-hetereosexual marriage. It is a main tradition in many countries for the union of female to male to be the normal norm of the society. When man came out of the salvage state that they were previously enslaved in, they faced a dllemma; they had to reproduce or they were faced to die. Evolution is like a game; when you can't do x, you have to find inputs that could create x or else. This was what evolution did to our minds; since reproduction benefits humans, then humans were naturally designed to be attracted to a different gender. What this natural design has led to is the attraction force between opposites; male and female. The attraction between both became a norm in soiety, and henceforth, many societies adopted such notions that traditional marriage was between males and females, and exclusively that. Henceforth, the opposition's points goes cold when he makes the argument that traditional marriage between males and females are untraditional.

b) Reproduction

The opposition says here that banning "gay marriage" is a sort of destructive mentality that would be said to be hypocritical if this condition is not inclusive of sterilized or infertile women. However, this is more of an issue of love, rather than an issue of ethical hypocrisy. There is always a theme in discussion of homosexuality; that since eros in men are high, but henceforth marriage is built upon Platonic love, it may be said that homosexuals do not experience "true" love and rather they experience "erotic" love. However, this argument shall be saved for my next contention. Reproduction is key to humanity. Humans must make copies of their species to survive. In a supply-demand system, the world must balance out the proportion of chickens and humans. Humans won the game only because of cross-gender reproduction and marriage. It would be totally absurd and unnatural to reserve such factors now and accept homosexual marriage as a legit form of marriage. For every moral action, there is an intended moral end. If homosexual intercourse only consists of giving pleasure to your partner, then pleasure is often times immoral.

CASE

a) Marriage and Homosexuality

Homosexuals do not experience "true love" and only experience "erotic" love. There is a huge difference between the two' "erotic" love is the love of the face, of the body, of what is outside. "True" love is the love of the mind, of the soul, of the personality, of what is inside. Both are wholly different; since attributes of the body are finite, but the attributes of the mind are infinite, then the bonding built on the former is less likely to be sustained than a bonding built on the latter. It is doubtful that homosexuals experience "true love". Here we come into a dilmma for all gay marriage sustainers; if marriage is built on Platonic love, then homosexuals must experience this fact. However, 28% of homosexuals have more than 1000 male partners. Above 58% of homosexuals say they have 50 partners in their lifetime. This is a clear sign of the erotic love of homosexuals; for homosexuals, it is all about the "hot sex" and the "sucking dick" etc. There is a simple explanation for this; homosexuals have similar brains to each other, and henceforth, they have similar erotic egos. Henceforth, they are more likely to have sex with people with the same ego than with the case of hetereosexuals; for in hetereosexuals, it is often the love of the mind or "true" love that allows men and women to create a bond and ultimately replicate. This deductive proof proves that homosexuals seldom experience true love (exclusive of bsh and yyw), and homosexuals ultimately have more intercourse than hetereosexuals.

The resolution remains negated
Debate Round No. 1
dsayshi257

Pro

dsayshi257 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
dsayshi257

Pro

dsayshi257 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bunnybean 2 years ago
bunnybean
I think its completely pompous for 18Karl to say that homosexual individuals cannot experience true love. Nobody can tell somebody else what he or she truly feels. That arrogant misguided information completely invalidates anything 18Karl has to say. That comment does not reflect factual information.
Posted by Mr.Lincoln 2 years ago
Mr.Lincoln
This should be easy
Posted by joshuav 2 years ago
joshuav
Will government should have no control over marriage. Marriage was originally completely private and didn't mean anything in society, it only meant something spiritually and emotionally. So government should even have the right to control marriage.
Posted by kittenface17 2 years ago
kittenface17
tru gud call let gay ppl do ther thing lol

gud argument keep it up gay ppl rok!!!!1111!!!!!1!1efl;kfzsdj
Posted by Atmas 2 years ago
Atmas
And if it's based on religious ideals, then only the people of the religion from which it draws it's ideals can get married, which is also ridiculous. I'm an atheist married to an atheist, so clearly marriage isn't about religious ideals.
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Reasons for voting decision: This would have been a very one sided debate even if Pro didn't ff each round....