The Instigator
True2GaGa
Pro (for)
Losing
28 Points
The Contender
Koopin
Con (against)
Winning
60 Points

Gay Marriage

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after 14 votes the winner is...
Koopin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/3/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 8,085 times Debate No: 10325
Debate Rounds (3)
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Votes (14)

 

True2GaGa

Pro

Some states do not allow gay marriage. I believe that just because it's a man and a man, or a woman and a woman doesn't mean that they cannot marry. I believe in equal rights for all citizens, of all races all around the globe.

link-https://secure3.convio.net...
(If it doesn't click,copy and paste.)
Koopin

Con

Thank you for starting this interesting debate.
Seeing that it is my opponents second debate, I will keep my arguments short and simple.

Marriage, the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc…

There are many ways of looking at the cons of gay matrimony. I will go through the three key points, diseases, financial, and ethics.

For my opening argument I would like to state the dangers of same sex intercourse. There is already an extremely high rate of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases in the United States.
When AIDS first became identified and known, it was found that the majority of sufferers had homosexual sex.
AIDS is a infection of the human immune system caused by the human immunodeficiency virus. Transmission of this virus can exchange between mother and baby during pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding or other exposure to one of the above bodily fluids.
Although treatments for AIDS and HIV can slow the course of the disease, there is currently no vaccine or cure. AIDS can result in death.
There is also a higher risk in getting other STDs such as Gonorrhea, Lymphogranuloma Venereum, Syphilis, and Amebiases Elaborated.
Allowing gay marriage will encourage people, including minors, to experiment homosexual sex. They will realize that since everyone else is alright with it, even encourages it then it is okay. This will make STDs spread across the country even quicker. An STD can enter someone's system by just having intercourse once.

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(2). http://dictionary.reference.com...
(3). http://www.cdc.gov...
(4). http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 1
True2GaGa

Pro

First of all, I want to thank funny man(koopin) for participating in this debate.

Myself, I believe in equal rights for all, and that means even for gays. This is a debate over why you should let them marry and be happy . I understand the definition of marriage. But sometimes, people just love each other and if they love each other, then they should be together.

Then you get to gay marriage.

And that's when all this talk of equality stops dead cold.

Nearly seventy percent of people in the U.S. oppose gay marriage, almost the same proportion as are otherwise supportive of gay rights. This means that many of the same people who are even passionately in favor of gay rights oppose gays on this one issue.

Why all the passion?

It's because there is a lot of misunderstanding about what homosexuality really is, as well as the erroneous assumption that gay people enjoy the same civil rights protections as everyone else. There are also a lot of stereotypes about gay relationships, and even a great deal of misunderstanding of what marriage itself is all about.

The purpose of this essay is to clear up a few of these misunderstandings and discuss some of facts surrounding gay relationships and marriage, gay and straight.

First, lets discuss what gay relationships are really all about. The stereotype has it that gays are promiscuous, unable to form lasting relationships, and the relationships that do form are shallow and uncommitted. And gays do have such relationships!

But the important fact to note is that just like in straight society, where such relationships also exist, they are a small minority, and exist primarily among the very young. Indeed, one of the most frequent complaints of older gay men is that it is almost impossible to find quality single men to get into a relationship with, because they're already all 'taken!'

If you attend any gay event, such as a Pride festival or a PFLAG convention, you'll find this to be true. As gays age and mature, just like their straight cohorts, they begin to appreciate and find their way into long-term committed relationships.

The values that such gay couples exhibit in their daily lives are often indistinguishable from those of their straight neighbors. They're loyal to their mates, are monogamous, devoted partners. They value and participate in family life, are committed to making their neighborhoods and communities safer and better places to live, and honor and abide by the law. Many make valuable contributions to their communities, serving on school boards, volunteering in community charities, and trying to be good citizens. In doing so, they take full advantage of their relationship to make not only their own lives better, but those of their neighbors as well.

A benefit to heterosexual society of gay marriage is the fact that the commitment of a marriage means the participants are discouraged from promiscous sex. This has the advantage of slowing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, which know no sexual orientation and are equal opportunity destroyers.

These benefits of gay marriage have changed the attitudes of the majority of people in Denmark and other countries where various forms of gay marriage have been legal for years. Indeed, in 1989, when the proposal to legalize marriage between gays first was proposed in Denmark, the majority of the clergy were opposed. Now, after having seen the benefits to the partners and to society, they are overwhelmingly in favor, according to the surveys done then and now.

So, having established the value of gay marriage, why are people so opposed to it?

Many of the reasons offered for opposing gay marriage are based on the assumption that gays have a choice in who they can feel attracted to, and the reality is quite different. Many people actually believe that gays could simply choose to be heterosexual if they wished. But the reality is that very few do have a choice -- any more than very few heterosexuals could choose which sex to find themselves attracted to.

Additionally, many people continue to believe that homosexuality is about nothing but sex, considering it to be merely a sexual perversion. The reality is that homosexuality is multidimensional, and is much more about love and affection than it is about sex. And this is what gay relationships are based on -- mutual attraction, love and affection. Sex is a means of expressing that love, just the same as it is for heterosexuals. Being gay is much more profound than simply a sexual relationship; being gay is part of that person's core indentity, and goes right the very center of his being. It's like being black in a society of whites, or a blonde European in a nation of black-haired Asians. Yes, being gay is just that profound to the person who is. This is something that few heterosexuals can understand unless they are a minority themselves.
I hope that you vote Pro (for)

Sources:
(1):http://www.pollingreport.com...
(2):http://gaylife.about.com...
(3):http://civilliberty.about.com...
(4):http://gayrights.change.org...
Koopin

Con

Audience, I am deeply disappointed in my opponents second debate. She has proved herself to be a plagiarist by copying and pasting her text. Her whole argument can be found at the follow websites:

http://www.bidstrup.com...
http://www.nexopia.com...
http://living.oneindia.in...

I will not answer my opponents argument seeing that it is not her words. Though I will continue to make my point.
I will talk about the financial part of allowing gay marriage.

1. Social security taxes will be increased, or the benefits will decrease.

The reason for this is because the United States government pays widows and widowers social security called survivor support benefits. The government will have to pay more money for all the homosexuals whose partner died.

2. Income taxes will be increased.

Income taxes will be enlarged to make up for the matrimony tax benefits given to homosexual couples and to pay for the social costs resulting from the increase in illegitimacy.

3. Medical insurance premiums will rise.
The more STDs, the more money it cost to get them treated. This will cost tax payers even more money to pay for health bills. Medical premiums would rise further if insurance companies are mandated to cover fertility treatments for lesbian couples.

The reason my debate is so short is that I realize that there is no need to post more seeing that my opponent has already ruined this debate.
Audience, even if you do not agree with me, it is obvious to vote con.

(1). http://www.myfoxdfw.com...
(2). http://teresacentric.com...
(3). http://education.yahoo.com...
Debate Round No. 2
True2GaGa

Pro

Like I said I didnt copy crap! and if you are going to acusse me for something I didn't do, then I wish to never have another debate with you again.
Koopin

Con

Audience, my opponent still will not admit that she has done wrong even thought it is obvious she did. It is sad that she thinks people can win by cheating.

Seeing that there is no need to post my final argument, I urge the audience to vote con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
you're scaring me!
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
I'm sorry, Koopin, I completely misunderstood your intentions by the comment.
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
Yes Ma'am!
lol
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
ok vi....
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
daaamn lady
i was just saying........ nevermind
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
I don't believe in state sanctioned marriage. It's like Ragnar's stance against marriage. My Big Issues Pro and Cons are all for our *current* system. So, its not really that ironic...
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
Why isn't it ironic that headphonegut, AquaGekko23, Mangani,True2GaGa, atheistman, daniel_t , Nails, and YOURSELF (you voted all points to yourself) did the same thing?
Posted by Koopin 6 years ago
Koopin
I was just saying that it was Ironic. I won't say anything else because you might get offended and kill me on mafia. ;)
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
And it's funny that you don't comment on the other people who did the exact same thing.
Posted by Vi_Veri 6 years ago
Vi_Veri
Before and After don't give you any points so it doesn't really matter. I gave you all the points because I believe you won all of them. Jesus.
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