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Gay Marriage

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Gdougie

Con

Debate Format:

Round 1: Opening statement (1-2 sentences)
Round 2: Argument
Round 3: Rebuttals and new arguments
Round 4: Rebuttals and closing statements

Debate Rules:

-Remain respectful to opinions
-The use of ANY source is allowed
-Follow the debate format
-Cite any web sources

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Opening Statement

I believe that the "traditional marriage" between one man and one woman is the backbone of the United States of America, and is what our founding father's intended on preserving (among other things) when our great nation was created. Homosexuality has created a concern for the safety of our future generation, and the sanctity of life in general.
missbailey8

Pro

I accept this debate. I'll be debating for gay marriage, while my opponent must argue against it. I accept all the rules he put forth.

Opening Statement

I believe that homosexuality is not a harm to society and that it may even benefit everyone. A marriage between two men or two women is just as valid as a "traditional marriage" and they should be recognized, as it brings the equality of marriage to everyone, whether they're LGBT or not.
Debate Round No. 1
Gdougie

Con

In an attempt to possibly stop the occurrence of future conflicts, I would like to inform my opponent that I am a Christian and will use the Bible for some of my sources. Thank you.

I believe that the "traditional marriage" between one man and one woman is the backbone of the United States of America.

This is my argument I intend to support with my proclamations. I will include other debate points in order to keep the debate interesting.

1. MARRIAGE

I have made it clear that I support the traditional marriage between one man and one woman. That is the only traditional marriage, considering the United States Supreme Court, unjustly, ruled in the summer of 2015 that same-sex marriage is considered legal nationwide making there "two" different kinds of marriage - marriage between male and female, and marriage between two of the same sex - there is a difference according to the simple definition of marriage (Merriam-Webster Dictionary). (A)

  • : the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

  • : a similar relationship between people of the same sex


Nonetheless, my argument stands that there is only one traditional type of marriage and that is between man and woman.

I want to elaborate more on why I believe traditional marriage is the backbone of the United States. Our founding father's used the Bible to scribe some of our nation's most precious documents.

"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." -Declaration of Independence

This may have nothing to do with marriage, but please notice how the "C" is capitalized in "Creator". This distinguishes something very important, and that is our Creator is the Christian God in heaven. Our founding fathers were fearful of the Lord, as good followers of the Bible should be. That is why some of our founding fathers have made comments such as:

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
-George Washington

""Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."
-Benjamin Franklin

There are many more from where those came from (B). The point is, our founding fathers believed that the Bible was the document to govern this nation. These men were followers of Christ, and wanted best for the future of the United States. These are some excerpts from the Bible about marriage and homosexuality all from the new testament.

"But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." 1 Corinthians 7:2

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with menor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Once again, I have many more verses to use. Traditional marriage between man and woman creates family, and family is our nations backbone. My opponent might try to sway the voters and say a "gay family" is the same as a "traditional family", but do not let that fool you. They are different. Quality research will show that a child growing up in a same-sex environment is not given the right attention they need as they would from a mother and father. A child needs both a mother and father - hints the traditional marriage and family. (C)

2. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE

Homosexuality is a choice, do not let my opponent fool you with her response, it is a CHOICE. My opponent will give some scientific research that says being gay is something determined for you. I ask my opponent, who determines if you are gay? Is it God? Because the Lord classifies homosexuality as a sin, and I cannot come up with someone different.

In previous debates things have been said such as:

"If homosexuality was a choice then why would the percentage around the world be so similar? Because this is something that is predetermined, just like you gender, hair color, eye color, so on." (D)

Gender, hair color, eye color, etc., are all determined by God. A difference though is that these are all genetic, passed down from generation to generation. There are gay people out there that have had descendants that are all straight, otherwise there would be no ancestors to look back upon. So how can homosexuality be determined genetically?

I proclaim that homosexuality is a "learned" behavior. You are not predetermined to be a racist, a sexist, a thief, a robber, a homosexual, etc... These are all learned behaviors. Which could in fact be learned from parents - hinting back to same-sex parents.

3. EQUALITY

Typically, gay marriage is fought for by groups such as the LGBT community because they feel unequal. I would once again like to use the same example I used earlier from the Declaration of Independence.

"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." -Declaration of Independence

Now, if the founding fathers were certain that homosexuals needed to be equal don't you think they would have established that same-sex marriage should be legal throughout the United States? Quite possibly they might have thought about it, gay people were around even at the time of Jesus (hints the Bible's teachings).

"...our founding fathers would have been outraged that homosexuals would be out in the open. They knew that such perversion would both undermine and erode the moral foundations of civilization."(E)

The creators of the free world believed this. During their lifetime same-sex relations were a capital offense in Britain. What they did do, however, is leave hard decisions like same-sex marriage to the states.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." - 10th amendment of the Bill of Rights

Same-sex marriage should remain a state's issue, despite the unlawful ruling by the Supreme Court in 2015. I do not see why the LGBT community felt discriminated against, when there were numerous states that allowed same-sex marriage.

Everyone was equal before the 2015 ruling, and everyone is still equal... Equality is not the question, religious freedom is.

I am running out of characters but I would love to talk about separation of church and state in a future rebuttal.
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I look forward to debating my opponent. Thank you.

(A)http://www.merriam-webster.com...
*Note-the full definition does include that marriage is between people of the same sex, but it was not part of the intended argument that same-sex marriage is different than traditional man-woman marriage.
(B)http://christianity.about.com...
(C)http://discussingmarriage.org...
(D)http://www.debate.org...
(E)http://freedomoutpost.com...
missbailey8

Pro

I. It's Not A Choice

I'll start with the actual science and statistics, then I'll talk about the "choice" of being gay with hypothetical situations and questions.

"Biological gender is set in the first trimester of pregnancy; psychological gender is set in the second, when the child in the womb is exposed to varying levels of testosterone. It"s not a mutation; it"s very much like the genetic regions that determine whether you will have black or brown hair, whether you"ll be tall or short, have dark or light skin, have broad or narrow hips" in other words, it is part of the normal range of normal human sexuality. And across all societies, the percentage of people who are gay remains about the same, at between 5-8% (although there is a difference between the incidence for men and women)." [1]

If homosexuality was a choice then why would the percentage around the world be so similar? Because this is something that is predetermined, just like you gender, hair color, eye color, so on.

Now for the hypothetical situations and questions. Say you were a man in love with women. Most other people in the world are gay or lesbian. You can't help it. You can't choose to love another man the same way. Just like you can't pick your race, you can't just pick and choose your sexuality.

I'm actually a gay woman and if I could, I'd most definitely decide to be straight. But why is that? The prejudice and discrimination against LGBT+ people is unbelievable!

"Nearly a fifth of students are physically assaulted because of their sexual orientation and over a tenth because of their gender expression.

"About two-thirds of LGBT students reported having ever been sexually harassed (e.g., sexual remarks made, being touched inappropriately) in school in the past year."

"The average GPA for students who were frequently physically harassed because of their sexual orientation was half a grade lower than that of other students." [2]

Would someone really want to be embarrassed, condemned, and harassed due to their sexuality?

II. Equality

The Declaration of Independence states that "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." [3] So why don't we grant these unalienable rights? For this part, I'll focus on liberty.

Liberty- the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views. [4]

Should gay couples be barred from marriage? If they are, then that's oppression by authority on one's way of life and behavior. Straight couples are allowed to marry freely, so what makes people think that gay couples should be treated as lesser and unable to marry in some parts of the world?

III. Separation of Church and State

A common argument of religious people against gay marriage is that it's a sin and The Bible condemns it, so it shouldn't be permitted. But we have the separation of church and state, which is where religious beliefs can't define the government.

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." [5]

Yes, this amendment prohibits the restriction of religion, but it's also for separation of church and state.

"Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the 'separation of church and state.' Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of 'blue laws' is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion."[6]

So why did the U.S. prohibit gay marriage in all 50 states up until summer of 2015? It's unconstitutional to do this, as we have separation of church and state.

IV. Adoption Increase

"In 2009, 69,947 children had parental rights terminated by the courts, yet only 57,466 were adopted... Last year, 29,741 children turned 18 and left the foster care system without being adopted... Nearly 40 percent of American adults, or 81.5 million people, have considered adopting a child, according to the National Adoption Attitudes Survey. If just one in 500 of these adults adopted, every waiting child in foster care would have a permanent family." [7]

With the rapid increase of gay marriages, don't you think that more children could find a loving family to care for them? Studies show that same-sex parents have no effects or even positive effects on the child's well-being. [8, 9, 10] A child needs love and if they're able to be given love from capable parents then they should adopt children.

V. Economic Benefit

It's already been proven that weddings help the economy due to the expenses such as entertainment, catering, attire, etc. Would gay marriages help the economy?

"The newly expanded marriage rights provide a tremendous economic opportunity for the $51 billion wedding industry, which currently employs over 800,000 people nationwide. Excluding increases in federal tax revenue or transfer payments, gay marriage in all 50 states has the potential to add $2.5 billion annually to the U.S. economy, according to a NerdWallet analysis." [11]

"The states will perhaps see $47.7 million in tax revenue as well, along with anywhere from 2,069-6,210 jobs created as a result of same-sex marriages, according to the Williams Institute." [12]

In short, ever since gay marriage has been legal nationwide, the economy has seen a giant boost, making for more tax revenue and thousands of jobs being made. I repeat, all of this is from the legalization of same-sex marriage in the states alone. Can you imagine what would happen if it was on a larger scale with the rest of the world joining?

Conclusion

In the end, you can't bar gay couples the chance to get married, as it wasn't their choice, it's oppression based on their sexuality, and the separation of church and state is undeniable. (It's in our very Constitution, after all!) The recent year of increased gay marriages can provide a boost for adopting children and the economy.

Thank you. I look forward to my opponent's rebuttal.

Citations
[1]http://www.health24.com...

[2]http://www.pflagnyc.org...
[3]http://www.archives.gov...
[4]http://www.google.com...
[5]https://www.law.cornell.edu...
[6]https://www.law.cornell.edu...
[7]https://davethomasfoundation.org...
[8]http://www.sciencedirect.com...
[9]http://www.medicaldaily.com...
[10]http://www.medicaldaily.com...
[11]https://www.nerdwallet.com...
[12]http://www.ibtimes.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Gdougie

Con

If it matters, I would like to point out that my opponent has used the same wording for all her opening arguments. So I will rebuttal all that she has argued, and encourage her to rebuttal on the points I do not use this round, but used in the previous round. Thanks to my opponent for responding quickly.

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
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http://www.debate.org...

1. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE


Homosexuality is a choice, do not let my opponent fool you with her response, it is a CHOICE. My opponent will give some somewhat scientific website related to health that says being gay is something determined by genetics.

In a previous argument, my opponent stated:

"If homosexuality was a choice then why would the percentage around the world be so similar? Because this is something that is predetermined, just like you gender, hair color, eye color, so on."

Gender, hair color, eye color, etc., are all determined by genetics and God. A difference though is that these are all genetic, passed down from generation to generation. Here is where it gets interesting to me... If being gay is genetic, how are gay people even on this earth? I ask this because it takes a MAN and WOMAN to make a baby. I can cite a source if needed. So if it takes a MAN and WOMAN (straight parents) to make a baby, where does the gay ancestor carrying the homosexual gene come in? Because the family tree will be made of a MAN and WOMAN all the way to Adam and Eve. Does this mysterious homosexual gene just appear out of nowhere? No. Let's be realistic. Being homosexual is a learned behavior. Here is a study that promotes homosexuality is a choice.

"A new scientific study of 409 pairs of gay brothers could put to rest decades of debate over the existence of the so-called ‘gay gene’.

Research conducted by the NorthShore Research Institute in the US found clear links between male sexual orientation and two specific regions of the human genome, with lead scientist Alan Sanders declaring that the work “erodes the notion that sexual orientation is a choice”.

The study is three times larger than any previously done and highlights two genetic regions that have been tied to male homosexuality in separate research: Xq28, first identified in 1993, and 8q12, spotted in 2005.

However, Sanders does not claim to have identified a single gene which ‘causes’ male homosexuality in humans and stresses that with complex human traits like sexual orientation there are many influencing factors, both genetic and environmental.

For the study Sanders and his team collected blood and saliva from 409 pairs of gay brothers and analysed their genetic code for markers known as single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs).

Although Xq28 and 8q12 were the two regions that were most frequently identified as home to genetic markers common among the 818 gay men, three other SNPs were also highlighted.

Speaking to the New Scientist, neuroscientist Simon LeVay commented: “This study knocks another nail into the coffin of the 'chosen lifestyle' theory of homosexuality.”

"Yes, we have a choice in life, to be ourselves or to conform to someone else's idea of normality, but being straight, bisexual or gay, or none of these, is a central part of who we are, thanks in part to the DNA we were born with,” said LeVay, who previously claimed to have found a region of the brain that was smaller in gay men."(A)

I proclaim that homosexuality is a learned behavior. You are not predetermined to be a racist, a sexist, a homosexual, etc. These are all learned behaviors. My opponent uses a quite interesting comparison, telling straight people to try and picture a world with gay people everywhere and want to like other men. I'm not sure about my opponent's brain, but in my brain there is no barrier in what gender I am sexually attracted to. I am not attracted to men, I am not a homosexual, but I do not feel as if my brain is "hard wired" to women. We are given free-will in this world by our Creator, we are given the choice in what gender we are attracted to, it is not predetermined and the experiment above proves that.

My opponent also uses a interesting statistic that in all societies the amount of gay people typically ranges around 5%-8%. Very interesting, but I am not sure that is a statistically significant fact relating to whether you have a choice of being homosexual or not . That is like saying the amount of Native Americans per state in all fifty states is about the same, x%-x% (not a real statistic, just an example).

My opponent gives three statistics which all have to do with the bullying and academic success of gay students. She then blames it on the "gay gene" saying do you think these students want this? My answer to that is uncertain... Once again I am not gay, nor have I ever harassed a gay person. Ultimately, it is the choice of the homosexual, and that homosexual has to ask himself/herself is being gay is worth it. I also have to add that Christians love everyone, if someone has ever harassed or bullied you for being gay I am so sorry. They are not fulfilling what Jesus has taught them.

"Jesus died and rose so that homosexuals could be forgiven and sanctified, just as surely as He died and rose for you and me. We want to give our full support and pure love to true Christians who struggle with this awful sin. Jesus Christ came to this wicked, sin-filled world to make a holy people for Himself, and let us praise God, who transforms sinners into His saints." (B)

2. EQUALITY AND SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE


Typically, gay marriage is fought for by groups such as the LGBT community because they feel unequal. I would once again like to use the same example I used earlier from the Declaration of Independence.

"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." -Declaration of Independence

Now, if the founding fathers were certain that homosexuals needed to be equal don't you think they would have established that same-sex marriage should be legal throughout the United States? Quite possibly they might have thought about it, gay people were around even at the time of Jesus (hints the Bible's teachings).

"...our founding fathers would have been outraged that homosexuals would be out in the open. They knew that such perversion would both undermine and erode the moral foundations of civilization."(C)

The creators of the free world believed this. During their lifetime same-sex relations were a capital offense in Britain. What they did do, however, is leave hard decisions like same-sex marriage to the states.

So, my opponent brings up the separation of church of state. She is correct, the first amendment denies the government of establishing a religion. However, the 10th amendment reads:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Therefore, the power to decide same-sex marriage resides with the states. The Supreme Court cannot make laws, they made a inaccurate ruling in 2015.

CONCLUSION

Once again, I ran out of characters. The last two points my opponent made about economic benefits and adoption are not relevant to what I initially argued. I believe that the "traditional marriage" between one man and one woman is the backbone of the United States of America. I ask my opponent to rebuttal my arguments and provide a quality debate. Thank you.

(A)http://www.independent.co.uk...
(B)http://www.biblequery.org...
(C)http://freedomoutpost.com......
missbailey8

Pro

I. Marriage

My opponent claims that traditional marriage is between one man and one woman and goes on to say that the Supreme Court unjustly considered gay marriage to be valid. My opponent fails to explain why marriage should be exclusively between a man and a woman and how it was unjust to consider same-sex marriage valid.

My opponent also provides the definition of marriage that blatantly contradicts his argument.

Then, my opponent says that traditional marriage is the backbone of the United States and that our founding fathers were Christians.

Just because our founding fathers were Christian doesn't mean that they were against gay marriage, per se. Even if they were against it, that doesn't mean that we should blindly follow their view because it's their view. Also, not all Christians are against gay marriage. In fact, the percentage of people who support gay marriage is only growing as the years go by, as yes, this does include Christians. [1]

My opponent then says that a child needs a mother and a father to be raised properly. Other research shows a different story. In fact, children raised by homosexual parents measure up with their peers. [2]

II. Homosexuality is a choice

This whole argument sums up to my opponent saying that God would never create someone who's gay, as it's seen as a sign in The Bible. However, he provides absolutely no scientific evidence that being gay is a choice or even that God is real.

He then says that being gay is a learned habit from gay parents. This claim is absolutely absurd. He basically is implying that being gay is contagious or that you just pick it up if you see it happening around you. Neither of these arguments hold any weight, as being gay isn't a disease [3] or a choice of any kind. [4]

Also, I'd like to ask my opponent two questions.

1) What about the ridicule that gays and lesbians face? Would they really want to deal with the trauma of exclusion and abuse?

2) Assuming you're straight, did you choose to be heterosexual? If so, why?

III. Equality

My opponent then says that the LGBT community was fighting for equality, despite being equal before. This is a blatant lie. There was a way that homosexuals were unequal compared to straight couples: they were unable to marry!

My opponent even quotes The Declaration of Independence, in which it states that all men are created equal. [5]

One more question for my opponent: how does gay marriage affect your religious freedom?

Also, I'd like to point out that the article my opponent cites is heavily biased, as it's written by an obviously homophobic Christian. [6, 7] Here's a quote from the article to prove my point.

"It is unpatriotic, to say the least, to propagate as a 'constitutional right,' that which our founders called an 'infamous crime against nature,' punishable by death or dismemberment.

"How far we've fallen." [6]

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I look forward to the rest of this debate. So long and goodnight!

Citations
[1]http://thinkprogress.org...
[2]https://www.washingtonpost.com...
[3]http://www.takepart.com...
[4]http://www.newsweek.com...
[5]http://www.archives.gov...
[6]http://freedomoutpost.com...
[7]http://freedomoutpost.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Gdougie

Con

Thank you to my opponent for responding.

1. MARRIAGE

My opponent says that I did not explain why I believe marriage should be between man and woman only, and why gay marriage is not considered valid. However, I believe I explained myself quite well between both my round 2 and 3 arguments.

- I believe I explained myself quite well when talking about the traditional marriage of ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. In my round 2 argument, I stated that a mother and father are needed in a child's life. I also mentioned that research shows that children with gay parents (two men, or two women) will not be as successful or well-educated (A). If I am not mistaken, I am pretty sure this backs my argument of why I believe marriage should be between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. *note* My opponent did not make any further arguments, all she did was point out arguments I made and call them wrong. My definition of marriage did not contradict any arguments that I made, it was simply stating that there is a difference between traditional marriage and gay marriage (according to the dictionary).

-My opponent pointed out that I said, "traditional marriage is the backbone of the United States and our founding fathers were Christians". I am not sure where she pulled the last part from. At no point, and I repeat NO point, did I ever say the founding fathers were Christians. I encourage the voters to reread my arguments. I never said the founding fathers were Christians, I said they were fearful of the Lord and followed the Bible. That does not mean you are a Christian. The United States was not founded upon Christianity, our 1st amendment does not allow the establishment of a religion. But, instead, the United States was founded upon Christian morals.

"In short, while America did not have a Christian Founding in the sense of creating a theocracy, its Founding was deeply shaped by Christian moral truths."(B)

My opponent went on a rant saying that even if the founding fathers were Christians, they do not have to follow their own views. Then goes on to say that many Christians are in support for gay marriage. Let me enlighten my opponent. If you support gay marriage, you are not a Christian. So that "rise" in the number of "christians" supporting gay marriage is illegitimate. Those are false Christians. Let me share a verse with you.

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives." 2 Timothy 3:16

This basically says that all scripture in the Bible, even the scripture about homosexuality, is true and God-breathed. So you are not a Christian if you support same-sex marriage, because we all know what the Bible says about it. And true Christians use the Bible.

-My opponent uses the Washington Post as an article to show research that children growing up with gay parents are "measure up" to their peers. The Washington Post is heavily Liberal and biased. Here is some research that contradicts my opponents source.

"Other studies find that homosexually parented children are more likely to experiment sexually, experience sexual confusion, and engage in homosexual and bisexual behavior themselves. And for those children who later engage in non-heterosexual behavior, extensive research reveals they are more likely to suffer from psychiatric disorders, abuse alcohol and drugs, attempt suicide, experience domestic violence and sexual assault, and are at increased risk for chronic diseases, AIDS, and shortened life spans." (C)

2. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE

I believe this line by my opponent is a desperate attempt to save herself: "However, he provides absolutely no scientific evidence that being gay is a choice or even that God is real."

I believe I did provide scientific evidence. I encourage the voters to look back at my round 3 argument, in bold you will see a entire experiment conducted saying homosexuality is a choice (D). The second part of what she said is completely irrelevant. I encourage my opponent to friend me, and we can then proceed to debate on whether God is real or not.

-Homosexuality is a choice, my opponent thinks it is an absurd argument to claim that homosexuality is learned. She claims I said it was disease to be gay, or that being gay is contagious. I mentioned you are not born a racist or sexist. Neither of these are diseases or contagious. I am not sure where she got the whole "disease" things, seems to be a manipulation of words.

Answer to question 1) I believe that if you want to be gay, you are considering the consequences and sacrifices that may follow. Just a as thief would consider the consequence of going to prison if they were caught. Gays or lesbians do not have to be gay or lesbian.

Answer to question 2) This is a personal question so I will answer with a personal answer that has nothing to do with the debate. I chose to be straight because I am a follower of Christ, and homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of the Lord.

3. EQUALITY

-My opponent tries to claim that the LGBT community was unequal before the Supreme Court ruling in 2015. I believe that everyone is equal in that we are all given the same right by the Lord and our government, life. Life is all we need to be equal. Nothing is ever "fair" in life. All men are CREATED equal, when we are created we have life - nothing else. We are not guaranteed anything for sure on this earth, and to claim you are unequal because you cannot marry the person you love makes no sense. People, just be happy you are alive.

Answer to opponent) If my opponent is not aware, just recently a woman's religious rights were affected because of the unjust ruling by the Supreme Court. Her name was Kim Davis and she was a Democratic County Clerk in Kentucky. Here is an article relating to this horrible incident (E). There are many other examples of Christians, such as myself, being affected by the LGBT community. Here is how the Supreme Court ruling in 2015 could affect religious institutions (F).

CLOSING STATMENT

My entire stance on gay marriage is fully supported by my faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible. However, science and research will also show you that homosexuality is not safe for future generations. Lies are being given by the LGBT community, trying to convince the population that homosexuality is not a choice. Look at the research. It is a choice. It is a learned behavior. The traditional marriage between one man and one woman is the backbone of the United States. Our founders of this great nation are on the anti-LGBT side, look at what they have said about homosexuality and try to dispute that. Let's preserve this nation for what it was founded upon. Let's "make America great again".

Thank you to my opponent for providing arguments which made this a quality, informative debate. Best of luck. Thank you!

(A)http://discussingmarriage.org...
(B)http://www.heritage.org...
(C)http://ic.galegroup.com...
(D)http://www.independent.co.uk...
(E)http://insider.foxnews.com...
(F)http://www.pewresearch.org...
missbailey8

Pro

I. Homosexuality is NOT a choice

In this rebuttal, my opponent says that things I previously referenced (gender, hair color, eye color, etc.) are determined by genetics and God. He also claims that being gay can't possibly be genetic, as it takes a man and a woman to have a child biologically. However, this is simply wrong. How so? Take a look at this excerpt.

"That's at least according to a new and groundbreaking study recently published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which details how a study of more than 800 gay participants shared notable patterns in two regions of the human genome - one on the X chromosome and one on chromosome 8.

"While many previous studies have looked into potential genetic drivers of homosexuality, these studies often boasted a significantly smaller sample size or lacked common controls. This is the first study of its kind to boast such a robust sample size and also be published in a scientific peer-reviewed paper." [1]

In other words, it is, in fact, genetic.

Also, the study my opponent quoted suggests that being gay is genetic. In fact, here's what one of the scientists who worked on the study said, regarding the results.

“'This study knocks another nail into the coffin of the "chosen lifestyle" theory of homosexuality,' says Simon LeVay, the neuroscientist and writer who, in 1991, claimed to have found that a specific brain region, within the hypothalamus, is smaller in gay men. 'Yes, we have a choice in life, to be ourselves or to conform to someone else’s idea of normality, but being straight, bisexual or gay, or none of these, is a central part of who we are, thanks in part to the DNA we were born with.'

“'Much hard work now lies ahead to identify the specific genes involved and how they work, as well as to find equivalent genes in women,' he adds." [2]

You know what the funny part is? My opponent actually quoted this part in his rebuttal.

My opponent then goes on to say that a homosexual must ask themself if the abuse is worth being gay. To me, this makes no sense. Why should a gay person have to question if being open about their sexuality is worth the bullying?

I'll create a scenario in which it involves a straight person. Say that you're a man. You're in love with a woman. Should you be bullied for the gender you love? No. So why should it be different for gay people? Whether it's a choice or not, who you love is your business. No one should be allowed to try to convert you or change your mind. Why? Because it's not their life.

II. Equality/Separation of Church and State

Firstly, my opponent says that if the Founding Fathers wanted homosexuals to be equal to heterosexuals, they would've made it legal throughout the U.S for gay people to marry. However, wouldn't the Founding Fathers also make slavery illegal if they truly wanted everyone to be equal? What about women being able to vote? They certainly would've made that legal to. And what about women being able to join the military in combat, rather than just for cooking and nursing purposes?


Homosexuals, women, and black people have all been discriminated against in the past, which shows inequality. However, should we always stick with our old ways or strive to make the United States equal for all?

My opponent drops my arguments on economic benefits and adoption, so keep that in mind when voting for either side.

Closing Statement

My stance on gay marriage still stands, as I believe that it can aid everyone, whether it means through equality, economic growth, or adoption increase. The treatment LGBT people of the past is something we can make up for, just like we did with other similar civil rights issues. While discrimination may never go away, we can do our best to help oppressed people have equal rights to others in America, or eventually the world.

To end, I present a quote from Mackelmore in the song "Same Love".

And a certificate on paper isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start
No law is gonna change us
We have to change us
Whatever God you believe in
We come from the same one
Strip away the fear
Underneath it's all the same love
About time that we raised up... [3]

Thank you for the quality debate. Best of luck to you. So long and goodnight!


Citations
[1]http://www.natureworldnews.com...
[2]https://www.newscientist.com...
[3]http://www.azlyrics.com...

Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by missbailey8 5 months ago
missbailey8
@Gdougie

What the hell does this have to do with gay marriage? That scripture is pointless to this debate.
Posted by Gdougie 5 months ago
Gdougie
My opponent for this debate is an atheist. Before we start out debate, I would like to share some scripture with her.

"Fear of the Lord is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline." - Proverbs 1:7

Let it begin. :)
Posted by SJM 5 months ago
SJM
Nice Joke.
Posted by missbailey8 5 months ago
missbailey8
@SJM

Lol I'm gay.
Posted by SJM 5 months ago
SJM
Gay people don't exist.
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