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Abi-Sain
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badassrookie
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Gay Rights are Self Evident in Society.

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Started: 4/1/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Abi-Sain

Pro

I assert to commentators and my opposition, that gay rights, despite public opinion, or religious assertions, are self evident in the United States, and not a subject of discussion when ratifying legislation. As a nation founded on the principle of Individual Rights, we recognize, as a nation, that the individual has certain inalienable rights that no man or institution can override. Whether a person is homosexual or not is irrelevant, he or she is an individual person, and therefore is warranted the same rights as anyone else in this nation. That State or Federal legislation should be issued for homosexuals is a contradiction, because in ratifying legislation we are essentially arguing that homosexuals do not have individual rights; that they are a distinct group of individuals whose rights and privileges are subject to political discussion. But by doing this we are negating the rights of the individual, our rights as well as theirs. They are everyday people, equally capable of the same achievements and mistakes as the rest of us. The sole difference lies in their sexuality, something that should have never become the subject of government oversight.

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badassrookie

Con

I would like to start my argumentation by pointing out some of the mistakes and misleading information my opponent has presented. First of all, it is said in the first argument that homosexuals, being individuals, are given the same rights as every other individual. If that is correct, why can't homosexual couples get legally married in every state? That right is given to non-homosexual individuals, so it is obvious that the rights of homosexual population are not entirely self evident. This is the reason why their sexuality should become a subject of government oversight, because only then will the fact stated above be true, they will then be equal individuals.
Debate Round No. 1
Abi-Sain

Pro

My opponent makes a very good point in reminding us of the many laws and regulations enacted to curb homosexuality. But these are not acts of a society, rather they are committed by numerous groups of individuals who believe that homosexuality is immoral or whatever else they contrived as an adequate excuse for their attitude. A society however is a collection of individuals. Even if the individual is is disregarded by the majority, he is still a part of that society. Legislation enacted against homosexuals are the product of a group of individuals that are apart of that society. They believe that homosexuality is wrong and must be curtailed, yet they persist on individual rights when they are convenient to them. Homophobes ironically do not endorse such restrictions upon themselves. Yet this a contradiction. If one member of society cannot enjoy the same rights as the others, then these are not individual rights. They become group rights, where some enjoy certain rights that others do not. But just as contradictions do not exist in nature, neither do they exist in society. Group rights cannot exist in reality, because only the individual has rights. A group is an abstraction, which can form and fall apart at any moment. The individual, on the other hand, is concrete; he exist, independent of the group, regardless of circumstance.

The so called, gay rights, are merely the same rights that all men and women had prior to their sexuality being known. Religion, itself irrational and not apart of reality, is the main excuse behind legislation enacted against them. But there is no rational reason behind such legislation, and the Constitution makes it clear that the government has no role in what is a purely religious affair. Legislation against civil marriages are also moot, as homosexual couples will continue to remain together regardless of legislation. What we are experiences are merely the irrational actions of isolated individuals, still caught up in their religious beliefs, and insensible homophobia. Legislation will no better stop homosexuality, and more than the Jim Crow laws halted the unity of races.The real problem is men and woman lashing out against homosexuals and the governments failure to perform it duty to uphold and protect individual rights.
badassrookie

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
Abi-Sain

Pro

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badassrookie

Con

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