The Instigator
Darkhan.Shakabayev
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
Noumena
Con (against)
Winning
27 Points

Gay marriges should be legalized.

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 6 votes the winner is...
Noumena
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/15/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 855 times Debate No: 29209
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (3)
Votes (6)

 

Darkhan.Shakabayev

Pro

Almost every country in the world supports the idea that everyone has the right to freedom of choice. Gay marriage is also a choice. We can not prohibit gays have a family.
Noumena

Con

===Definitions===


Gay marriage refers to civil recognition of same-sex partnerships equal to recognition of difference-sex partnerships.


===Counters===


Con's argument is basically as follows:

P1: Most countries accept freedom of choice.
P2: Gay marriage is a choice.
C: Therefore, gay marriage should be legalized.


A. Pro's first argument is that "almost every country in the world" recognizes freedom of choice. This is his first mistake since it amounts to little more than an argument from popularity. Everyone else is doing something so it must be right. This is actually a formal fallacy, referred to as argumentum ad populum. A clearly invalid example (though one which employs the exact same reasoning) would be to argue from the popularity of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany to it's supposed validity. But this is clearly not the case. Since this line of reasoning can lead us to absurd consequences, it amounts to nothing as far as a valid method of inference is concerned.


B. Next we may focus attention on Pro's assumed premise, that choices must be justified by virtue of that very fact. If this is the case than we can look at examples of other choices and expect to come to the same conclusion right? Murder is a choice. Rape is a choice. Presupposing free will on our parts, every possible course of action is a choice. But where our counter examples of rape and murder clearly refute this position. Some choices are valid, others are not. Just reasoning from the existence of choice to validity though is an unsound argument.


Pro's argument has been successfully refuted. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 1
Darkhan.Shakabayev

Pro

Darkhan.Shakabayev forfeited this round.
Noumena

Con

Extend refutations. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 2
Darkhan.Shakabayev

Pro

Darkhan.Shakabayev forfeited this round.
Noumena

Con

Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
3 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 3 records.
Posted by Noumena 4 years ago
Noumena
I don't plan on continuing to do so. I just have to get three debates under my belt before I can vote.
Posted by Kinesis 4 years ago
Kinesis
Fresh out of a new account and already newb sniping eh Spinko. :P
Posted by 16kadams 4 years ago
16kadams
Only 3 hours per post?!
6 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 6 records.
Vote Placed by Maikuru 4 years ago
Maikuru
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeits
Vote Placed by DoctorDeku 4 years ago
DoctorDeku
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:-Vote Checkmark-2 points
Total points awarded:07 
Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit :O
Vote Placed by likespeace 4 years ago
likespeace
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: Con completely crushed their opponent's arguments, and then Pro forfeited.
Vote Placed by RyuuKyuzo 4 years ago
RyuuKyuzo
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: ff
Vote Placed by 1Devilsadvocate 4 years ago
1Devilsadvocate
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: F.F.
Vote Placed by Xerge 4 years ago
Xerge
Darkhan.ShakabayevNoumenaTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: Pro's only two arguments presented were adequately refuted by Con's stronger case. Conduct to Con for the forfeits.