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almurray
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nifonp06
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Gay or same sex marriages should be legal.

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Started: 4/17/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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almurray

Pro

Gay marriage should be legalized. If two people want to join hands in marriage and love each other, care about each other, and spend their lives with each other it should not matter what sex they are. Who gets the choice to say whether it is right or wrong? People make "wrong" choices everyday, including heterosexuals, so why is this "wrong" choice so discriminated against? Marriage should be about love and commitment, not the gender you posess.
nifonp06

Con

Homosexuals have the exact same rights as heterosexuals minus the sake that they can say they are married. Civil unions offer the same benefits of traditional marriages, so why is there such a push for legalizing the marriage between same sex couples? Homosexuals are not segregated and neither are they given fewer rights. They can have all the rights of marriage except for the name. A couple does not need to be married to live a happy, comfortable, and free lifestyle.
Debate Round No. 1
almurray

Pro

First of all I would like to thank you for taking part in this discussion. I believe that gay couples should be allowed to marry whoever they want just as heterosexual couples do. Just because of your sexual orientation, you should not be treated differently than the majority of the population. Denying gays the right to legalized marriage is a violation of religious freedom because civil and religious marriages are two separate institutions. In the case of Christianity, the Bible states to "do unto others as you would like done unto you". How would a heterosexual couple feel if they were in the position (as are homosexuals) of such oppression? It is completely unfair to deprive homosexual couples the benefits of marriage. This includes joint ownership rights, medical decision-making rights, taxation and inheritance rights, access to family health coverage, and protection in the event of the relationship ending. A same-sex couple is not allowed to make medical decisions for their partner because they cannot be legally married to them. Therefore, their partner can be on their deathbed and they will not be allowed to make decisions regarding their life until someone in their family arrives. How can this be okay? Homosexuality is much more common and accepted as a lifestyle nowadays, most evidence strongly supporting biological causation. Denying gay legalized marriages is also a form of minority discrimination. Allowing for legalized gay marriages does not hurt society or anyone in particular. It is only allowing others to be happy in their lives. The same financial benefits that apply to heterosexual marriages should apply to same-sex marriages. Another pro that comes from legalizing gay marriages is the increase in child adoptions. Because gay couples cannot pro-create the adoption rate would rise significantly. Children would be put in a loving family rather than a numerous list of foster homes that many times take advantage of children in order to receive a pay check. If I were unable to keep my child, I would feel much better knowing he/she was going to a loving same-sex couple who was going to love and take very good care of him/her rather than 6 different foster homes gain ownership that did not show any appreciation for him/her.
nifonp06

Con

To start off you cannot say anything about "doing unto others as they would do unto you" because heterosexual couples would never be in that position it's just not the way it works. Since the beginning of time there has been right and wrong ways to live and nowhere in the Bible does it state that it is ok to have marriage in the same sex. It even states it is a sin. There is a clear reason as to why it is illegal for the same sex to get married. Understand that for centuries this has been something viewed as completely wrong and unethical. Men and women come together to procreate like God intended, as stated in the Bible. There is a reason two women, or two men, cannot get each other pregnant and procreate. That right there in itself proves it's wrong above all.
Debate Round No. 2
almurray

Pro

First off I would like to thank you for taking part in this debate. In response to your opinion I would like to add that if marriage is about reproduction and procreation, then why are heterosexuals who cannot have children allowed to marry, heterosexuals who don't want to have children allowed to marry, heterosexuals who don't want to have sex allowed to marry, heterosexuals who can't have sex because one partner is in prison for life allowed to marry? Heterosexual couples are now (because of the increased technology) able to use technical assistance to have children so why is it seen as wrong when same-sex couples have children using the same methods? For a lesbian couple, one woman's egg can be implanted into the female partner's uterus and then fertilized with a known or unknown donor's sperm. Gay couples can also reproduce using one man's sperm and a surrogate mother. In both situations, the couples can raise-children, and fit any criteria of marriage being about reproduction and starting a family. The ability or desire to create offspring has never been a qualification for marriage. Traditional Christian wedding vows read: "[Name], do you take [Name] to be your wedded [husband/wife] to live together in marriage. Do you promise to love, comfort, honor and keep [him/her] For better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. And forsaking all others, be faithful only to [him/her] so long as you both shall live?" (myweddingvows.com) Civil marriage vows are almost identical in emphasizing love and commitment. These vows are clearly the heart and soul of what marriage is all about and the focus is entirely on love and commitment, not on reproducing and starting a family. Gay couples clearly can qualify for marriage according to these vows, and any definition of marriage made from these vows.

Once again I'd like to thank you for your time in discussing this issue with me. I love to see both sides to an argument and respect you for giving your input and opinions on this issue.
nifonp06

Con

I understand what it is that you are saying, but my issue is that when a woman and man decide to get married it doesn't necessarily mean that they know whether or not they can have a baby. They are just in love and are taking it to the next level. I also understand why you talk about heterosexual couples having help by doctors in order to have kids and that's fine, but to me that doesn't have to do with the actual act of getting married. You have to understand that growing up with two of the same sexual identities is incorrect and morally wrong. Thanks for the battle. I always love a good debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by joshknows 5 years ago
joshknows
These people that are against gays make me laugh because they say the same things and keep going in circles plus if you are going to use religion in an argument/debate then keep it up don't use it when its to your advantage... If you wanna quote the bible (that is a whole 'nother topic all together) then keep it but like the the con said it was ok for the gays to have children and not be married .... but to have sex (to reproduce) you have to be married... so how can they have children and not be married it just doesn't fit.. gay people ( i should know) want to live "the normal lifestyle" which basically is to get married settle down have a family just like any other normal person would.. so they marry and have kids like the con guy said its another step in the relationship ... I'm am a very devout Christian and i love religion studying it and i feel like to say that i should be killed or denied the rights of other Christians is not fair or right at all..
Posted by mysterious_man 5 years ago
mysterious_man
Religion shouldn't dictate political decisions. It's an equal rights debate that turned into a morality one.
Posted by JustaWriter 5 years ago
JustaWriter
(((((blush))))) Thanks.
Posted by Makhno 5 years ago
Makhno
I think JustaWriter won this debate. :)
Posted by Makhno 5 years ago
Makhno
JustaWriter A+ :)
Posted by JustaWriter 5 years ago
JustaWriter
Interesting debate, but several important factors were missed. The primary one being that religion should be a moot point in the debate.

Religious marriage (ceremony conducted by clergy) is not up for negotiation, it is freely available to all people. The issue at hand is legal marriage (as documented in a local courthouse).

Also, religion should have no impact on legal marriage because of the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". To keep gay marriage illegal due to it going against God's Plan is upholding a law that respects the establishment of Christianity.

Giving homosexuals civil unions is putting them in a situation where they are receiving "equal but different" treatment under the law. That is segregating them from other couples that marry based on religious preference.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had more elaborate responses as compared to he Con. Also the Con failed to back up his claims and also his logic is flawed by using self assertions.
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Reasons for voting decision: " You have to understand that growing up with two of the same sexual identities is incorrect and morally wrong" - nothing like assertions without warrant
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Reasons for voting decision: con shifts his argument alot, he has no real ground, BTW the bible says nothing about gays marrying, thye just can't have sex
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Reasons for voting decision: Neither side were especially convincing in their arguments but Con could not refute Pro's assertions. He merely claimed that the bible says gay marriage is wrong(he did not cite any source) and then used an argument from tradition. The worst part was Con's bold and unfounded assertion that growing up in a home with same sex parents was morally wrong. Why? Con provided no justifiable reason.