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Gays Should be Allowed to Marry

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/8/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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taylorbot

Pro

This has probably been debated before, but oh well. I would actually like to hear the response to this idea before I make my case.
Justinisthecrazy

Con

Gays should not be alllowed to marry is my stance.
Debate Round No. 1
taylorbot

Pro

There is really no legitimate reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to marry. If marriage is meant to be based on love instead of medieval property exchanges then it should be available to anyone. Furthermore, if the argument against it is founded in religious ideology then it should be remembered that this country has a fundamental separation of church and state, and as a purely legal institution marriage, and the privileges that accompany it, must be available to all people.
Justinisthecrazy

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i would like to first state I am not gay/I have nothing against gays and am debating this for the sake of debating it

Heterosexual marriage is based around the emotional attractions of the opposite poles of the male-female polarity. This is about the complementarity of the organs of reproduction. The emotional bonding of man and woman fills the missing half of each in order to create the one whole being which then gives birth to new life. Heterosexual marriage is about bonding at the level of reproduction and subsequent creation of a nest and household in which to raise children.The model of the family is traditionally hierarchical and structured. The male and female partners have roles specified for them by their sexual function in the relationship. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. This however, is not present in homosexual marriages.

Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control. Like I've stated above. To elaborate further God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

It should be plainly obvious to most Americans and especially those that are indeed already married that Gays should not be allowed to marry. The truth of the matter is George W. Bush will probably be revered by Gays once they figure out that what he and other Republicans are doing. What they are doing in short is simple giving them the single greatest gift in the world and really protecting one of their most inaliable rights, namely the pursuit of happiness.Marriage in the United States has a rate of failure of over half. Failure has never meant happiness. It has also been reported that nearly "eighty percent of all working comedians speak about the unhappiness of marriage as part of their routine." Al Bundy, Homer Simpson, and Nick Lachey are but a few men who openly complain and speak about the horrors of marriage. In bars across the country men and women who are married are looking for sex from outside their marriage and will complain to anyone about how their spouse is perhaps the laziest, dumbest, or somehow the worse person alive. Ask yourself why you got divorced or why your parents did? And if these questions don't apply to you it is probably because you are gay or not American or perhaps both. It is clear by now that marriage equals pain and suffering. What the President is doing by not allowing Gays to get married is assuring that they can remain happy! He is protecting their rights to pursue happiness and have freedom to have sex with whomever they wish whenever they wish without fear of being divorced and losing half of their assets to some filthy fat slut whore of a wife (or husband). Just look at the damage marriage has done to heterosexuals; do we really want to spread that to the Gay community as well?
Debate Round No. 2
taylorbot

Pro

Essentially you've argued two pionts: 1) that marriage is a natural occurence between men and women for the sole purpose of procreation, and 2) marriage is miserable and homosexuals need to be protected from making the mistake of getting married.

As to the first point, marriage is an abstract, human developed construct that was created for the purpose of securing land arrangements and generating greater wealth between families by creating heirs. In the middle ages, marriages could be essentially annulled if it was discovered that the man was impotent, as the whole idea was purely to create offspring. This is clearly a far cry from the institution of marriage today, as no one would say that a couple could not wed simply because the woman was barren, or the man was unable to create a child. Thus, in modern jurisprudence, marriage is no longer defined by exchanging property or generating heirs, or even as a means of ensuring procreation but as a contract between to people.

As to the second point that illegalizing marriage for homosexuals protects them belies the very freedom your speaking about. The pursuit of happiness is very much the ability to make mistakes. If that thread of thought were applied to other freedoms, it would have disastrous and intolerable results, i.e. banning free speech to protect a persons feelings, we could say that people aren't allowed to drive to protect them from accidents (how many people a year die in car crashes). The idea that we must deny a privilege in order to protect a person is ludicrous at best and dangerous at worst.

If we are a nation that respects differences between people and attaches legal rights to marriage, then marriage must be available to all of its citizens, whether a person chooses to embark in marriage is for them to decide, and for them to decide with whom to make that contract.
Justinisthecrazy

Con

I very strongly disagree with his argument against my first point. If that were true there would be no children. I myself am the heir to my fathers name and the last to carry on our name. Couples nowadays do divorce for things such as a barren woman or a man that is unable to create a child. However, there are now also alternatives to that to make children, and they use them to stay together as man and wife.The male and female partners have roles specified for them by their sexual function in the relationship. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. This however, is not present in homosexual marriages.

We are not discussing medieval times either, we are discussing right now in this time period.

Your example of car crashes does not even apply to the debate. Neither does your example about speech although we do limit our freedom of speech. Because we don't want the president to feel like we want to kill him. America is obvisouly not a nation that respects differences between people. Look at all the racism involved around the muslim/islamic culture now because of our inability to respect differences and because we love to stereotype.

Gays not being allowed to marry doing in short simply giving them the single greatest gift in the world and really protecting one of their most inaliable rights, namely the pursuit of happiness. Marriage in the United States has a rate of failure of over half. Failure has never meant happiness. You fail a math test. Are you happy? No. You fail a drug test. Are you happy? No.

I stand in negation of gays having the right to wed.
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