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Gender based income inequality

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Started: 3/3/2015 Category: Economics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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PaigeDebate

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How can the United States help correct the gender bias on income payment?
RTKTRG2.0

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Let's start off with some statistics. Men spend more time working than women do by two hours on average, whether it be at work or in home. (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org...) Men also make up 92.2% of all workplace fatalities. (https://www.aei.org...) . Seems to me as if the "wage gap" is close enough considering how much men work and how often they die while working.
Debate Round No. 1
PaigeDebate

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If two people, regardless of gender, do the same job over the same amount of time, then it is only fair to me for them to be paid the same. How can we tell our boys that they are getting paid more because of their parts and our girls get paid less.
RTKTRG2.0

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Men pick higher paying jobs on average. Women tend to occupy the lesser paying jobs. The people who want a even wage gap are technically saying they want psychologists (predominantly women and low paying) to make the same as, say, a dockworker (mostly male and high paying). Being a psychologist is much safer, obviously, and dockworkers deserve their pay for the most part. Yes, women do make 77 cents per a man's dollar, but picking higher paying jobs is what women should do if they are so infuriated about this 23 cent gap. (http://www.npr.org...) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com...)
Debate Round No. 2
PaigeDebate

Pro

A new fad this year is to fight for what you believe in. One which is particularly important is equality. However we do not listen to what we preach. We say that we all have equal rights, equal opportunities, but now women are being discriminated because of their gender. Our constitution is contradicting itself. Yeah, all of us are equal...Except women. On average Women receive more graduate and college degrees than men, in 4 out of 10 American families women are the main and sometimes only bread winner. Women earn 71 percent of men's wages- that is after you control the age, race, hours, and education. So what does that say!? It's pretty clear actually, after women work, study, and achieve what men can do, they still get payed less. Because women go on maternity leave, doesn't mean that they are not valuable assets to their workplace. Men want to have families too, and women should not get blamed for wanting to start a family. That is just an excuse for those who do not wish to value the working women of today. Women should get paid same as men, end of story.
RTKTRG2.0

Con

The people who make up this "wage gap" use average pay for each gender overall. This does not document each job individually or take into account how much more men work more than women or vice versa. Also, I would like to bring up another point. The feminists of this country claim this 23 cent wage gap is an atrocity and it's sexist etc. Why don't we focus on the actual crimes on women in the Middle East i.e. Getting acid poured on you for dressing "indecently" and being forced to cover most of your body.
Debate Round No. 3
PaigeDebate

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So to make of the fact that about 10 percent of the wage gap can be attributed to women having different work histories than men, or in other words, being much more likely to take time off or quit altogether to care for children? Some women will always prefer reducing their schedules or staying at home with their kids. But our country is also unique in making it difficult for both parents to remain in the workforce, a burden that disproportionately falls to women, a good number of whom may not want to leave their jobs. In fact, our growth of women in the labor force has been falling behind other developed countries thanks to our lack of paid family leave and child care assistance. Plus there"s evidence that paid leave and affordable, consistent child care help boost women"s wages. The choice to be a caretaker may not always be such a free choice. It"s fair to say that not all of the gap is due to discrimination. Certainly women are clustered in low-wage work " they are about two-thirds of the country"s minimum wage workers " and often have to interrupt their careers to care for family members, all of which impacts their earnings. But even when various factors like these are taken into account, the entire gap doesn"t disappear. When the Government Accountability Office last looked at the gap, it couldn"t explain 20 percent of the disparity in pay between men and women, something that could be at least in part caused by discrimination. A more recent study by economists Francine Blau and Lawrence Kahn found that while experience, occupation, and industry explain much of the gap, there is still more than 40 percent of it that remains unexplained, the part that could be chalked up to discrimination. We can also look to the real world to see instances where it"s clear that outright discrimination is still at play, such as the details of a recent class action lawsuit against the country"s largest jewelry store, where female employees across the country and with substantial experience say they were still paid less than less qualified men.
RTKTRG2.0

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Earlier you stated that "On average Women receive more graduate and college degrees than men, in 4 out of 10 American families women are the main and sometimes only bread winner. " This argument only contradicts your point. If women on average were evenly tied with men for the main bread winner, then the pay should be equal. But men are 6/10 times the bread winner of the house based on your statistics, which leaves a 20% gap, which is approximately the same differential in these "wage gap" studies.
Debate Round No. 4
PaigeDebate

Pro

PaigeDebate forfeited this round.
RTKTRG2.0

Con

Since you have forfeited this debate, i have one demand. To be quoted in your English 101 project. That is all.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Rokgutarist 1 year ago
Rokgutarist
Guy's this whole argument of sexism and feminism is disgusting to my eyes. Women Have Equal Rights in the United States. Hello? The Suffragists movement and Rosie the Riveter are two very big factors in this. Women are now respected in and out of the workplace. They get just about as good a paycheck as a guy, and aren't raped like 10 year olds in Yemen. I'd fight for Women's rights over there, but not in the U.S. because we have Women's Rights in the U.S.
Posted by Unitomic 1 year ago
Unitomic
What can we do to change it? How about accept that it doesn't exist and all the studies claiming it did were older studies that were funded by radical feminists, with the intent of proving inequality, and were very carefully worked and presented to show that predetermined outcome. The perfect example of how research can be twisted to show any results.
Posted by Rwoot14 1 year ago
Rwoot14
There isn't an income bias, men and women get payed roughly the same amount of money for the same job.
Posted by simonstuffles 1 year ago
simonstuffles
What exactly is the resolution of this debate?
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