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Genghis Khan, Savage or Uniting Conqueror?

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Started: 6/2/2015 Category: People
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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WorkingGlass

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Was Genghis Khan a savage brute or was he a great conqueror who helped improve Asia as a whole? I believe that he was one of the great motivators of history who helped to unite Asia and to provide peace and prosperity to Asia through the effective use of force.
NspireNgage

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Genghis Khan and the Mongols raped and pillaged, and destroyed Asia, homogenizing it, and attempting to create a master race. He forced himself and his culture upon almost all of Asia and in to Europe. I believe Genghis Khan was no more than a ruthless tyrant and a destroyer of diversity; both culturally and biologically.
Debate Round No. 1
WorkingGlass

Pro

Your claim that Temujin pillaged and raped is somewhat exaggerated, although he did pillage, that was a sustainable form of warfare. The Mongols didn't rape but did have forced marriage as was common throughout the entire world at that time. You say that he tried to force his culture onto Asia and Europe yet he was one of the first leaders to establish an institution ensuring complete religious freedom. Under his rule was the first empire indiscriminate of religion. Nowhere is it founded that Temujin attempted to force anything to the lands he conquered besides a tax to support the defense of his empire. Your claim that he also was biologically forcing himself into Asia is also put wildly out of reality. In Mongolia and neighboring regions, intercourse was thought to be healthy and so it was a common tradition to have many wives before Genghis even had one. I find your arguments to be unfounded and fueled by European historical stereotypes.
NspireNgage

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Debate Round No. 2
WorkingGlass

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Since you have forfeited last round, I suppose I'll pass the time by listing many of his accomplishments. He created the worlds largest empire stretching from Korea to Hungary at its peak. He promoted pan-Asian trade. He advocated luxury goods for every subject of his empire. Not to mention he sparked brilliant cultural flowering in the Iranian world. He unified the Mongol people and organized them into a nearly invincible army from simple nomads. He united Eastern and Western Asia for over a century. He produced a unique occasion for cultural exchange that changed the face of art in Iran. He valued bravery and loyalty more than money, formulated a code of law in an area that was once a lawless expanse. He was wise and diplomatic and didn't form habits such as drinking. Overall I think he was a pretty solid leader.
NspireNgage

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WorkingGlass

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by oerus 1 year ago
oerus
Here was what Ghengis Khan saw as the greatest happiness. "The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters."

If this is not a savage, I have no idea what is considered as such. But, if you want more evidence, in his life, Khan was extremely violent, and had random mood swings. Finally, one of the key reasons his empire didn't last was because of his and his descendants lack of foresight post-mortem.
Posted by WorkingGlass 1 year ago
WorkingGlass
sav"age
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adjective
1.
(of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
"tales of a savage beast"
synonyms:ferocious, fierce; More
noun
1.
(chiefly in historical or literary contexts) a member of a people regarded as primitive and uncivilized.
synonyms:barbarian, wild man, wild woman, primitive
"she'd expected mud huts and savages"
verb
1.
(especially of a dog or wild animal) attack ferociously and maul.
"ewes savaged by marauding dogs"
synonyms:maul, attack, tear to pieces, lacerate, claw, bite
"he was savaged by a dog"

Genghis Khan was not savage, he was cultured, appreciated art, and was very literate for his region. He also had tremendous self control (See fifth campaign in Persia)

brute
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noun
noun: brute; plural noun: brutes
1.
a savagely violent person or animal.
"he was a cold-blooded brute"
synonyms:savage, beast, monster, animal, barbarian, fiend, ogre; More
informal
a cruel, unpleasant, or insensitive person.
"what an unfeeling little brute you are"
an animal as opposed to a human being.
something awkward, difficult, or unpleasant.
"a great brute of a machine"
adjective
adjective: brute
1.
unreasoning and animallike.
"a brute struggle for social superiority"
merely physical.
"we achieve little by brute force"
synonyms:physical, bodily; More
harsh, fundamental, or inescapable.
"the brute necessities of basic subsistence"
Origin

late Middle English (as an adjective): from Old French brut(e ), from Latin brutus "dull, stupid."

Brute cannot be used to describe him, he wasn't any more savagely violent than Alexander the great or Napoleon, he was also very reasonable and diplomatic.
Posted by Yassine 1 year ago
Yassine
- Well, he is technically a savage, & he is a brute by every possible standards.
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