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donald.keller
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utahjoker
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George Zimmerman is not guilty of racism.

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donald.keller
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/15/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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donald.keller

Pro

I am not debating whether or not George Zimmerman was innocent or guilty. I am arguing that George Zimmerman was not racist.

The media, the NAACP, and numerous others are pulling the Racist Card on Zimmerman, but I feel there is no evidence that he is Racist. If you are unbiased in your views, and can hold a source-based discussion, feel free to accept.

* Round 1 is for acceptance.
** Round 2 - 3 is establishing a case with evidence and sources.
*** Round 4 is a conclusion. Using only prior mentioned evidence from rounds 2-3, you conclude your case.

The RESOLUTION is simple... George Zimmerman is not racist.
Because the Con must prove Zimmerman guilty of racism, and I must prove him not Racist, both sides bare the responsibility of providing evidence. With this, both sides hold the BOP, and must prove their case.
Debate Round No. 1
donald.keller

Pro

For starters, I would like to apologize. I appear to have messed up the number of rounds when editing the Resolution. This is okay, we do not need a conclusion round.

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I will start by presenting a case for why Zimmerman is not Racist.

To start, lets look at Zimmerman's family tree. According to the family, some members are black. His mother is Latino, and Zimmerman himself is Hispanic(a,b). While this does not prove he is not Racist, it is worth noting.

Even with black family members, his family is pretty certain he is not racist.

a) http://www.washingtonpost.com...
b) http://patdollard.com...

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Let's bring in some stronger evidence... His community.

Despite being 23% Hispanic (of any race), 5% Asian, and 20% Black(a), the community testifies that Zimmerman was not racist(b).

a) http://www.miamiherald.com...
b) http://www.cnn.com...

The communities Demographics are important because the 20% black population is almost twice the National Average while the 23% is almost 50% larger than National Average(c). While people from everywhere else claim a man they've never met was racist, the proportionally large black and ethnic community at The Retreats seems to believe otherwise, as well as Zimmerman's other neighbors(b).

c) http://www.census.gov...

Zimmerman's co-worker's seem to agree wholeheartedly that Zimmerman was accepting of Black people and was not racist(b).

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In fact, another relatively important character seems to believe Zimmerman did not act out of racism... Trayvon's Stepmother(a). The Stepmother would know a great deal more about the case of her own stepson's death than most people. Despite this, she seems the believe Zimmerman did not act based on Trayvon's color.

a) http://www.breitbart.com...?

Alicia Stanley, Martin's stepmother, was married to Tracy Martin (Trayvon Martin's father) for about 14 years since Trayvon was 3. This means that she was there until Trayvon was 16 or 17. She raised him and cared for him, knew him best(b), more so than his mother, Sybrina Fulton.

(b) http://www.chicagonow.com...

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Possibly one of the most important people involved in proving Zimmerman was not racist is his black friend, Joe Oliver.

Joe Oliver, a 53 year old, former television news reporter and anchor in Orlando, claims Zimmerman is far from racist (a). He's known Zimmerman for several years as an acquaintance, and has defended Zimmerman's character since the shooting.

"I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color." Joe Oliver, 53.

(a) http://www.reuters.com...

Joe Oliver's wife is even a close friend to Zimmerman's Mother-in-law, claiming he cried for days after the shooting.

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I have questions for the Con before he puts forth his evidence.

1- What is the legal definition of Racism.

2- Has Zimmerman ever helped out the Black Community?

3- In Zimmerman's call to 911, did he voluntarily profile Martin?

4- In Zimmerman's call to 911, why was Zimmerman suspicious of Martin?

It is important for the Con to answer these questions, because I will be bringing them up again.

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I now hand the Round over to the Con for his argument. Good luck, and plan well.
utahjoker

Con

utahjoker forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
donald.keller

Pro

My opponent has chosen to forfeited R2. I shall answer the Questions I gave him then.

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Question 1- What is the legal definition of Racism:

Racism:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

a) http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Racism:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

b) http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Using these definitions, we will answer the last questions I asked the Con.

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Question 2- Has Zimmerman ever helped out the Black Community?

Well to start, let's begin with Sherman Ware. Sherman Ware was a homeless black male who was beaten by the son of a Sanford police officer.(a)

Why is this guy important? Because Zimmerman was among the very few who protested for the Police Department to do something.(b)

"The letter also described how Zimmerman was one of “very few” in Sanford, Fla., who spoke out publicly to condemn the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer.”" The DC

a) http://www.cnn.com...
b) http://dailycaller.com...

Not only was Zimmerman among the few to act, but he even had to organize the Black Community to act as well.(b) The ironic part is that Zimmerman actually request the NAACP's help with the case and the poor homeless man... They turned him down because they didn't have the resources to help.(c, d) He had to do everything on his own for the poor man.

Zimmerman held a town meeting where he spoke to the community and the Mayor about this "great injustice" and requested the Police Chief be punished for the hate crime against poor Sherman Ware.(e)

"The law is written in black and white,” George said. “It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those … in the thin blue line.” -The DC

c) http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...
d) http://www.inquisitr.com...
e) http://dailycaller.com...

What else has Zimmerman done for the Black Community? He tutored some young black children. Zimmerman volunteered to tutor underprivileged black children,(f,g) and continued to long after the tutoring was supposed to end.

f) http://www.nationalreview.com...

Zimmerman even worked with a black business partner to open up an insurance office.(g)

g) http://www.mercurynews.com...

On a side note, I want to also mention that Zimmerman took a black date to the prom.(h)

h) http://www.examiner.com...

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Question 3- In Zimmerman's call to 911, did he voluntarily profile Martin?

Well, reviewing Zimmerman's call transcript, we find he didn't bring up Trayvon's race until the Police asked for it...

Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department...

Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: Ok, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?


Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...

Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...

Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.

Looking at the Transcript, race wasn't even involved until the Police requested the information. With this, no evidence for Racial Profiling can be found.

a) http://www.documentcloud.org...

We should have known something was up with the accusation that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon when NBC had to apologize about an apparently edited audiotape of the 911 call.(b)

b) http://www.washingtonpost.com...

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Question 4- In Zimmerman's call to 911, why was Zimmerman suspicious of Martin?

Again, returning to the Transcript, we see that Zimmerman was suspicious because Martin looked like he was on drugs or something, and was "looking at all the houses." This all seemed suspicious after a recent onslaught of break-ins in that neighborhood.(a)

Never once does Zimmerman racially profile Martin. Zimmerman didn't find him suspicious because of his color, but because of the circumstance. The Sanford Police Department's lead investigator, Chris Serino, states this exact same conclusion to the FBI.

a) http://www.reuters.com...

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Knowing all this about Zimmerman, does what you see fit the answer to Question 1?

The first question was answered with the definition of what Racism is, and the last three questions describe Zimmerman's character... The Zimmerman that the answers to Questions 2, 3, and 4 describe does NOT match the definition of a racist that Question 1 gave us.

We aren't done, however. One thing we left out is that George Zimmerman voted for Obama in the election. He agreed with Obama's character. He also felt that electing a multi-racial president would set a new standard for racial relations. Zimmerman wanted to see an end to the presidency being only a "Club of White Men."(a)

"As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is “a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama.”
-Ben Shapiro, Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News

"George supported Obama, Robert explained, because “He was like many young people who thought that the president’s club had been a club of white men since our founding, and that there really wasn’t a good reason for that..."" -Ben Shapiro, Editor-At-Large of Breitbart News

a) http://www.breitbart.com...

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I must also note that making a Racist joke does not make someone Racist anymore than making a joke about Obama means you hate Obama. Actions speak who Zimmerman is, not words made up for laughs, whether appropriate or inappropriate.

With this conclusion, I rest my case that Zimmerman is not guilty of being Racist, as the evidence and Zimmerman's character and past does not match the legal definition of Racism.

While I have concluded that Zimmerman is not racist, the Voters must still decide. The voters must now decide whether or not what they have learned about Zimmerman matches the legal definition, and if it does not, than the word Racist can not be used to describe Zimmerman.

Thank you for the Debate, and I look forward to facing you again.
utahjoker

Con

utahjoker forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by donald.keller 3 years ago
donald.keller
MacGruber, I am re-hosting it. Looking for an opponent.
Posted by donald.keller 3 years ago
donald.keller
Also. I will, with evidence prove my own half of the case.
Posted by donald.keller 3 years ago
donald.keller
Being guilty not in legal terms. Being guilty does not just apply to the law, it is a general term.
Posted by Torvald 3 years ago
Torvald
How will you establish whether or not he is racist? And you talk of being guilty thereof. Racism is not a crime. It may be a most unpleasant form of bigotry (not that there is a pleasant form of bigotry), but you can't be found guilty of racism. Furthermore, if he does not walk around waving banners of notoriously racist organisations, and give speeches about his racism, if he keeps it within, as many do with personal beliefs, you cannot possibly prove one way or another. This whole debate is a big straw man.
Posted by donald.keller 3 years ago
donald.keller
I want to again note that this is not a topic of whether or not he is guilty of murder.

For that debate, go to http://www.debate.org...

We are only discussing whether or not he is racist and nothing else.
Posted by donald.keller 3 years ago
donald.keller
Under the assumption that Zimmerman is 'innocent until proven guilty' of being racist, the Con has to prove he is indeed racist. By this logic, BOP is on him.
Posted by ClassicRobert 3 years ago
ClassicRobert
I mean, prima facie, the BOP is on the person who is making the affirmative statement, that he is racist.
Posted by JustinAMoffatt 3 years ago
JustinAMoffatt
Is BOP on you?
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro presented a well-researched and well-presented case. It seems to me likely that Con stepped out upon seeing the opening round, but it doesn't matter. Pro had all the facts and sources; Con loses conduct for the forfeits.
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Reasons for voting decision: This would have been a really good debate. I suggest you hold it again with a better debater.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. I don't believe anyone can be completely non-racist, yet the main evidence I'm aware of to accuse him of racism is that he doesn't say "chocolate colored skin" when giving a description (if he's shot more than a single person, the races of them would be evidence; yet right now it seems coincidental).
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