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Germ theory is a fraud

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Started: 11/23/2015 Category: Health
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

The concept that disease is caused by germs is false. Antoine Bechamp discovered centuries ago that 'germs are the result of disease and were not the cause of it.' Just because germs are present when somebody is sick, doesn't necessarily mean that germs were the cause of the problem. The modern diet contains many foods which are unnatural for humans and can cause disease. These foods originated with the start of the agricultural revolution and have been with us ever since. These dangerous and allergic foods may include grains, refined sugars and dairy products. The common cold is a common symptom of food allergy. Many pesticides and fungicides can cause serious nervous system failure which may result in so called disease like MS, Polio, Ebola, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, epilepsy, shingles and stroke.
kingkd

Con

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk...

http://www.health.gov.au...

"There are, however, some germs which can make people sick if they enter their bodies, for example, hepatitis A and Salmonella germs.

Other germs which usually stay in certain parts of the body where they do not cause disease, will make a person sick if they find their way to another part of the body. For example, Escherichia coli (which is also sometimes known as E. coli) lives in the gut and helps digest food. However, if it gets outside the gut, E. coli can cause sickness such as bladder infection."

"produce toxins (poisons)
increase their number greatly by breeding and they can stop parts of the body from working properly, or
attack and damage a particular part of the body"

"Food poisoning can result from eating or drinking germ contaminated food or water. Different types of germs take different lengths of time between being ingested (taken into the body) in food or water and the onset (start) of the disease.

Gastroenteritis (gastro) is a disease caused by a virus germ in faeces. People can become infected with this germ when they eat food or lick fingers or use eating equipment, such as knives, forks, plates and cups, which are contaminated with the germ.

Acute diarrhoea (runny tummy) is commonly experienced by people with food poisoning and gastroenteritis but may also be caused by infection with the bacterial germ Escherichia coli (E. coli). It can be a useful germ when it stays in the bowel of a person because it helps to digest food.

The E. coli germ of one person may differ slightly from that of another person. This means that if the E. coli germs from one person get into the stomach and bowel of another person it could cause that other person to get acute diarrhoea. This disease is particularly dangerous to babies, very young children, the elderly or the sick because they can quickly become dehydrated."

These, as quoted by Department of Health, prove germs cause disease.

http://www.animalresearch.info...

"Pasteur then turned his attention to the health of silk worms, which produced silk for the cloth industry. He discovered that he found that healthy silk-worms became ill when they nested in the bedding of those suffering from disease. In this study Pasteur found that environment directly affected contagion, and that the spread of disease could be controlled by sterilisation. His studies on yeast had shown that microbes could be air-borne, and he realised that these two studies could be directly applied to the transmission of disease in humans. He spoke on the subject at The Academy of Medicine in Paris, and although his radical ideas were only accepted by a few physicians, his recommendations saw the introduction of sterile surgical techniques.

Final proof of germ theory came when Pasteur was able to grow the anthrax bacillus in culture. Although anthrax had been isolated by Robert Koch, opponents believed that the spores he found could have been containments in his culture medium. Pasteur placed a drop of blood from a sheep dying of anthrax into a sterile culture, and allowed the bacilli to grow. He repeated this process until none of the original culture remained in the final dish. The final culture produced anthrax when injected into sheep, showing that the bacillus was responsible for the disease."

Pasteur proved Germ Theory long ago, learn your facts.

Pro must provide an alternate explanation with enough evidence. If there is no alternative I win. Also, he must disprove my evidence in order to win. It is clear he cannot, thus vote Con
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

1. If you eat faeces you get sick. Well, that's about all you have said so far. SO WHAT! Of course you will get sick if you eat faeces.
Faeces is just rotten food. The bacteria are there to digest it and process it. That's just a natural process. if somebody is stupid enough to eat their own faeces, then they deserve to get sick. But, that doesn't prove that germs cause disease. All that proves is that rotten food causes disease. The germs are just there, only for the purpose of breaking it down and digesting it. Thus, the researchers have accused germs of being the culprits, just because they were present at the crime scene. But, alas. germs are just the innocent bystanders.

2. Pesticide poisoning has all the same symptoms as a disease. For example - Ebola - The symptoms of Ebola perfectly match the symptoms of DDT and formaldehyde poisoning. Ref - https://www.reddit.com...

Anti-biotics cause bleeding. When somebody presents with Ebola symptoms they give them Anti-biotics. Result - Bleeding.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com...

Thus, the Ebola scam is slowly being unravelled. lol
kingkd

Con

kingkd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

Akhenaten forfeited this round.
kingkd

Con

"The germs are just there, only for the purpose of breaking it down and digesting it. Thus, the researchers have accused germs of being the culprits, just because they were present at the crime scene. But, alas. germs are just the innocent bystanders."

Pro claims that bacteria do nothing. This is false.
http://www.webmd.com...
"You can"t get Ebola from casual contact, like sitting next to an infected person. Air, food, and water don"t carry the virus. But kissing or sharing food or a drink with someone who has Ebola could be a risk, since you might get his saliva in your mouth"
Ebola is caused by germs
http://www.abpischools.org.uk...
"As they grow and divide, many bacteria make toxins (poisons). These toxins can damage your cells. Some bacteria damage your cells directly as they grow. Disease symptoms such as a high temperature, headaches and rashes can be caused by the damage and toxins or by the way your body responds to the damage and toxins produced by the bacteria."
http://www.ausmed.com.au...
"Viruses tend to target specific tissues (cells) in the host. For example, the influenza virus has a predilection for the respiratory tract, hepatitis viruses target the liver, poliovirus targets the motor neurones of the spinal cord and rotavirus multiplies in the gut"

Vote Con
Debate Round No. 3
Akhenaten

Pro

1. I didn't say that bacteria "'do nothing."

Quote - 'only for the purpose of breaking it down and digesting it'

Thus, my opponents claims that I stated that 'bacteria do nothing' is false.

2. Quote - "Viruses tend to target specific tissues (cells) in the host. For example, the influenza virus has a predilection for the respiratory tract, hepatitis viruses target the liver, poliovirus targets the motor neurones of the spinal cord and rotavirus multiplies in the gut"

Reply - Explain how viruses can know where to attack a victim. Note - Viruses don't have and means of movement, thinking, seeing or knowing. Thus, how do these viruses know and see which body organ to attack?

I have proven that my opponents argument is illogical because viruses can't see, move or think. Thus, it is impossible for them to attack any specific body organ.
It is far more logical to think of disease in terms of vitamin deficiency and chemical poisoning, rather than as germs attacking cells.
kingkd

Con

kingkd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Akhenaten

Pro

Akhenaten forfeited this round.
kingkd

Con

kingkd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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