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Mr.Lincoln
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Germany (along wits allies) had the military capacity to win the Second World War

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/9/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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inaudita

Pro

I shall be arguing that Germany, at the outset of the War, had the military capacity to obtain its goals, and only through strategic blunders on its part was it defeated.

Con may begin the debate first.
Mr.Lincoln

Con

I will argue that the surrounding countries were too much for Germany
Debate Round No. 1
inaudita

Pro

I'd like to break my rebuttal into __ points.
1. Germany had allies in Eurpoe. These allies would eventually grow to the countries Italy, Rumania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, and Finland.
2. Germany easily took France, Poland, Yugoslavia, and Greece along with the help of its allies. This left them in control over almost the entirety of Europe.
3. The war in Russia was only lost due to the trategic blunder of Hitler.

Please rebut my arguments now so I may debate back with them in more detail and with mroe force.
Mr.Lincoln

Con

Rebuttals:

The countries you listed didn't have a good military (Allies and the countries they invaded)
Even without the blunder the Solviet Union had a better military
Debate Round No. 2
inaudita

Pro

Rebuttal
While it should be admitted that Hitler's allies were shaky he had it within his grasp to defeat the Soviet Union. Hitler could have left the Soviet Union defenseless in 1941 if he had taken Moscow. The failure to take Moscow should be blamed mainly on Hitler himself. He chose to take Kiev before Moscow in 1941, leaving the Moscow assault to be done in the winter. The Germans had the military capacity to take Moscow during the summer. On 18 Aug '41 the Army High Command (OKW) presented Hitler with its plan for the autumn campaign, which designated Moscow as the key objective. On 22 Aug, however, Hitler rejected the OKW plan & decided instead to strip Army Group Center of both of its 2 panzer armies, sending one to support Army Group North which was assaulting Leningrad & the other to support Army Group South assaulting Kiev. These new dispositions were in effect by 25 Aug. Army Group North arguably made no better progress with 2 panzer armies than it could have with only 1, but Army Group South won one of the largest encirclement battles of the war, took the city of Kiev, captured over 450,000 Soviet troops, & positioned itself for a thrust all the way to the Don River & the southern city of Rostov, which it captured before the end of the year (& then had to abandon during the winter).[1] Despite the seeming victory in Kiev, these battles ignored the strategic importance of Moscow. An assault on Moscow would have taken or t least damaged the main rail head in the Soviet Union, effectively leaving the armies in the Archangel and Caucuses regions basically detached as well as taking or destroying the important production area that Moscow was.
This of course should not be ignored as the only reason the Germans failed to take Moscow. It is widely acknowledged that the Russian winter is what eventually stopped the Germans. The delay of the German offensive against the Soviet Union caused by the invasions of Yugoslavia and Greece, which was approximately 4 weeks, was also disastrous for the German armies. That 4 weeks very well may have been enough for the German armies to take Moscow and celebrate Christmas in the great city as they had planned months before.

[1]http://www.alternatehistory.com...
Mr.Lincoln

Con

Mr.Lincoln forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
inaudita

Pro

Con forfeited, vote pro
Mr.Lincoln

Con

Mr.Lincoln forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DudeHouse 2 years ago
DudeHouse
Even after the Moscow blunder, later the Germans had another chance to take the oil fields in the Caucuses. Instead they attacked Stalingrad and had a huge disaster. Do you think Germany would have won if they attacked the Caucuses instead of Stalingrad?
Posted by DudeHouse 2 years ago
DudeHouse
Why did the germans put up with hitlers bullsit? It seems like germany was filled with super talented generals, but everyone just kept putting up with a psycho. How come no one had the balls to get rid of him?
Posted by inaudita 2 years ago
inaudita
It appears Mr. Lincoln has had his account activated. I thought the debate was just starting, but sadly not.
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Reasons for voting decision: While I do agree that Germany could not have won, con still forfeited.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture by Con.