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Akhenaten
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LockinKey
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Germs in the blood is a casual relationship and not a cause of disease.

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Started: 11/5/2017 Category: Science
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Akhenaten

Pro

A have been advised by some less educated persons on this site that germs are the cause of disease. It is assumed that because there are germs in the blood that these germs are the cause of disease. This is false information. This type of thinking was common in the past before modern technology proved that leaky gut syndrome allowed the germs from the gut to enter the blood. Thus, if you avoid foods which cause leaky gut syndrome you can also avoid all disease.
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Posted by JuneW 3 days ago
JuneW
Put this debate up again, and I will take it.
Posted by Akhenaten 3 days ago
Akhenaten
Are you related to that black fella comedian guy with the funny hat and talks complicated nonsense?
Posted by bigdave 3 days ago
bigdave
I suggest you read, re read, and read again until you see the flaw in your reasoning.......

YOUR QUOTE....
"Actually YOU stated that VOLCANOES were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that LEAKY GUTS were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that BLOODSTREAM BACTERIA were the cause.
[Actually YOU stated now that vitamin deficiency is the cause.]
Yes, volcanoes prevent crops from being grown which LEADS to vitamin deficiency.
Yes, leaky gut syndrome is a primary cause. Caused by grain food and a lack of vitamins.
No, bacteria entering the blood is a secondary phase of the disease process."

Perhaps if someone were to read to you this article "Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems by
George Sugihara, Robert May, Hao Ye, Chih-hao Hsieh, Ethan Deyle, Michael Fogarty, and Stephan Munch" you may begin to understand that "Identifying causal networks is important for effective policy and management recommendations [in] epidemiology. We introduce a method, based on nonlinear state space reconstruction, that can distinguish causality from correlation. It extends to nonseparable weakly connected dynamic systems . The approach is illustrated both by simple models (where, in contrast to the real world, we know the underlying equations/relations and so can check the validity of our method) and by application to real ecological systems".
Posted by Akhenaten 3 days ago
Akhenaten
Quote - "Actually YOU stated that VOLCANOES were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that LEAKY GUTS were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that BLOODSTREAM BACTERIA were the cause.
Actually YOU might never get it right, but keep on guessing."

Yes, volcanoes prevent crops from being grown which LEADS to vitamin deficiency.
Yes, leaky gut syndrome is a primary cause. Caused by grain food and a lack of vitamins.
No, bacteria entering the blood is a secondary phase of the disease process.
Can you get things in the right order without being confused by previous government brainwashing which is preventing you from thinking?
Posted by bigdave 3 days ago
bigdave
First of all , he was a CAPTAIN, not a captain. I never said he was overseas. I never said he was in combat at the time. Where are you now stationed? The Army might need to know as you said "I have been in the army myself for about 2 years" which means that you have been in the Army since 2015, and you are still in service. Or do you have a verb tense comprehension problem to add to all your other issues?

Your quote "The army doesn't understand vitamins and doesn't properly provide for soldiers health." I refer you to the history of the 7th Cavalry and others where the Army was MOST concerned with health and nutrition. So you are wrong yet again. Habit forming isn't it?

Your quote "I have stated many times previously. The primary cause being bad diet and lack of vitamins."

Actually YOU stated that VOLCANOES were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that LEAKY GUTS were the cause.
Actually YOU stated that BLOODSTREAM BACTERIA were the cause.
Actually YOU might never get it right, but keep on guessing.

Here is a definition for you "Infection is the invasion of an organism's body tissues by disease-causing agents, their multiplication, and the reaction of host tissues to the infectious agents and the toxins they produce.[1][2] Infectious disease, also known as transmissible disease or communicable disease, is illness resulting from an infection." SOURCES (1)Definition of "infection" from several medical dictionaries " Retrieved on 2012-04-03 and (2) "Utilizing antibiotics agents effectively will preserve present day medication". News Ghana. 21 November 2015. Retrieved 21 November 2015.
Posted by Akhenaten 3 days ago
Akhenaten
Oh, so the person in question was a captain in the army and was serving his country overseas at the time of the incident. I have been in the army myself for about 2 years. During this time my health was very poor due to the army diet which lacks proper vitamins. This was on an army base. Now, if you are in a combat situation, your diet is going to be a lot more restricted and will lack fresh fruit and vegetables. The army doesn't understand vitamins and doesn't properly provide for soldiers health. It would be very expensive and dangerous to provide fresh fruit and vegetables to troops in the field so the army doesn't bother. This results in small injuries becoming infected due to lack of vitamin C and D.

Note - Your Wikipedia reference states that sepsis affects only - "In the very young, old, and people with a weakened immune system." Thus, germs are only a secondary phase in the disease process as I have stated many times previously. The primary cause being bad diet and lack of vitamins.
Posted by bigdave 4 days ago
bigdave
Look moron.....the person whose life was saved by the application of germ theory was a very healthy Captain in the US Army . He was protecting people like you so that people like you can believe in what you want to believe ( even if it is stupid). He received a bacterial infection from contact with "external agents". see https://www.mayoclinic.org...

"Blood poisoning (bacteremia) happens when bacteria enter your bloodstream. It is potentially a very serious condition that can lead to organ failure and even death.....Blood poisoning requires prompt treatment. Unless it is treated quickly, the bacteria in the blood can cause sepsis. Sepsis is the name for the most severe state of blood poisoning. During sepsis, bacteria can infect major organs, like the lungs, kidneys, and heart. In this stage, blood poisoning can be life-threatening." https://familydoctor.org...

see also https://en.wikipedia.org...

http://img.picturequotes.com......

Now here is a guy whose reading comprehension is like yours

https://www.youtube.com...

I am tired of you bad mouthing the US Army and I will no longer stand for it.
Posted by bigdave 4 days ago
bigdave
Look moron.....the person whose life was saved by the application of germ theory was a very healthy Captain in the US Army . He was protecting people like you so that people like you can believe in what you want to believe ( even if it is stupid). He received a bacterial infection from contact with "external agents". see https://www.mayoclinic.org...

"Blood poisoning (bacteremia) happens when bacteria enter your bloodstream. It is potentially a very serious condition that can lead to organ failure and even death.....Blood poisoning requires prompt treatment. Unless it is treated quickly, the bacteria in the blood can cause sepsis. Sepsis is the name for the most severe state of blood poisoning. During sepsis, bacteria can infect major organs, like the lungs, kidneys, and heart. In this stage, blood poisoning can be life-threatening." https://familydoctor.org...

see also https://en.wikipedia.org...

http://img.picturequotes.com......

Now here is a guy whose reading comprehension is like yours

https://www.youtube.com...

I am tired of you bad mouthing the US Army and I will no longer stand for it.
Posted by Akhenaten 4 days ago
Akhenaten
If you could supply more information about - the person; the type of work involved and the diet of the person. Then, I could determine the nature of the infection. The only kind of medical emergency that a minor cut or abrasion would warrant evacuation would be work that involves halogen chemicals.

Quote from a medical dictionary -
'Blood poisoning is rarely a problem for people who are healthy or who have a properly functioning immune system.'
Thus, the person that you know must have been either very old or very diabetic.
Note - Only people who are very low in vitamins and iodine can get blood poisoning.

It is yourself that lives in an intellectual vacuum.
Posted by bigdave 4 days ago
bigdave
Your quote ,,,"I have never seen a small cut from anybody becoming infected" You must live in a sterile environment, as your thoughts are also very sterile.

In my professional experience, we had standing orders in one area to "ex filtrate all sub cutaneous entries to the nearest medical facility." Why? Because the incidence of infectious substances in the environment were no numerous and so deadly that even a minor cut or even an abrasion warranted med evac.

We had one person who developed severe blood poisoning originating at the cut appendage AND NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE "GUT". You could trace the dis colorization from his finger and up his arm.

He was treated with antibiotics and NOT WITH SOME ASININE DIETARY THEORY. He lives to this day. I am sure he would not take kindly to your insipid theory.
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