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Global Warming Exists and we as a country need to do something about it!

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Started: 1/22/2008 Category: Politics
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nebosleeper

Pro

This debate is for those out there that say things like "global warming does not exist." There are numerous evidences that support the fact that global warming is happening. According to national geographic the rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850. There are many more facts that we can look at as the debate continues, however for arguments sake I will leave you with that just to get started.
Statesman

Con

Ok first of all I would like to agree with you that global warming does exist. I know of nobody who contest that. The real debate is if global warming is caused by man or if it is just a natural occurance of the world. Over the past 150 years there have been several cases of the world heating up and then cooling down. With these cases there was widespread panic about how, depending on if the temperature of the earth had gone up or down this particular time, the earth was either going to burn up or we were all going to freeze to death. However, each time the earth heated up, it then cooled down. Every time the Earth went through a warming faze, it then cooled itself. If you don't believe me here are some news articals from the past 150 years predicting imminent doom every time the world temperature gets hotter or colder. I know there are alot, but I feel it necessary to show you just how many times this panic that we're all gonna die from the earth changing temperature has been blown out of proportion. If you read these you will find not only articals on global warming but also global cooling.

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CLIMATOLOGY

January 5, 1855, Wednesday

Page 4, 863 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - As the climate of every country has an inseparable relation with the physical character of its inhabitants, the attention of the Government was directed, some few years since, to the collection of correct meteorological statistics throughout the whole of the United States.

THIS CLIMATE OF OURS; WHY THESE OPEN WINTERS AND TEMPERATE SUMMERS? THE GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF THE ALTERNATE PREVALENCE OF A SEMITROPICAL ATMOSPHERE.

Climate Perculiarities of New-York.

January 2, 1870, Wednesday

Page 4, 500 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - The climate of New-York and the contigu ons Atlantic seaboard has long been a study of great interest. We have just experienced a remarkable instance of its peculiarity The Hudson River, by a singular freak of temperature, has thrown off its icy mantle and opened its waters to navigation.

IS CLIMATE CHANGING?--

March 25, 1888, Wednesday

Page 13, 440 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - Formerly wine was made in England, the change of climate might be the principal reason that this manufacture does not now flourish. There are, however, many reasons why British wine ...

IS OUR CLIMATE CHANGING?

February 3, 1889, Wednesday

Page 4, 778 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - An article in the Forum for February is upon the subject of the much-talked-of change in our climate. The writer, Prof. CLEVELAND ABBE, says that the notion that it is possible for a climate to change to a modern one. Our ancestors lived in a region ...

THIS CLIMATE OF OURS; WHY THESE OPEN WINTERS AND TEMPERATE SUMMERS? THE GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE OF THE ALTERNATE PREVALENCE OF A SEMITROPICAL ATMOSPHERE.

June 23, 1890, Wednesday

Page 5, 1905 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - Is our climate changing? The succession of temperate Summers and open Winters through several years, culminating last Winter in the almost total failure of the ice crop throughout the valley of the Hudson, makes the question pertinent. The older inhabitants tell us that the Winters are not as cold now as when they were young, and we have all observed a marked diminution of the average cold even in this last decade.

FACT AND FANCY ABOUT CLIMATE; Prof. Ward in His New Book Discusses Various Popular Notions Regarding the Weather.

May 30, 1908, Saturday

Section: SATURDAY REVIEW OF BOOKS, Page 18, 1432 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - AS popular misconceptions of variations in the weather are frequent and shiding, Prof. Ward has rendered the public a service in producing a book on climate which "can be read by an intelligent person who has not had special or extended training in the technicalities of the science."

Nation Is Held on Verge of Climate Shift; Experts See Old-Fashioned Winters Back

December 16, 1934, Sunday

By The Associated Press.

Section: SECOND NEWS SECTION, Page N8, 361 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - WASHINGTON, Dec. 15. -- America is believed by Weather Bureau scientists to be on the verge of a change of climate, with a return to increasing rains and deeper snows and the colder Winters of grandfather's day.

Warming Arctic Climate Melting Glaciers Faster, Raising Ocean Level, Scientist Says

May 30, 1947, Friday

By GLADWIN HILLSpecial to THE NEW YORK TIMES.

Page 23, 366 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - LOS ANGELES, May 29 -- A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the Arctic, engendering a "serious international problem," Dr. Hans Ahlmann, noted Swedish geophysicist, said today.

Is Climate Changing?; Habits of Mammals and Birds Suggest World Is Warmer

October 15, 1950, Sunday

Section: The Week In Review, Page E9, 461 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - Is the world warming up? Dr. Joseph J. Hickey, Professor of Wildlife Management at the University of Wisconsin, holds that it is. He has drawn his evidence from the changing habits of some half-dozen species of mammals ...

How Industry May Change Climate

May 24, 1953, Sunday

W. K.

Section: REVIEW OF THE WEEK EDITORIALS, Page E11, 470 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - The amount of carbon dioxide in the air will double by the year 2080 and raise the temperature an average of at least 4 per cent. The burning of about two billion tons of coal and oil a year keeps the average ground temperature somewhat higher than it would otherwise be.

Greenland's Moderating Climate Turns Hunters Into Fishermen; Economy Once Based on Sea Mammals Now Depends On Cod Sold for Cash

August 29, 1954, Sunday

By KATHLEEN McLAUGHLIN

Page 2, 696 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - UNITED NATIONS, N. Y., Aug. 28 -- Greenland's polar climate has moderated so consistntly that communities of hunters have evolved into fishing villages. Sea mammals, vanishing from the west coast, have been replaced by codfish and other fish species in the area's southern waters.

CLIMATE WARMING IN THE ANTARCTIC; 5-Degree Rise Over the Last Half Century Is Recorded at Little America ICE IS FOUND THICKER Director of U. S. Program Says Sheet Drops 10,000 Feet in Many Areas

May 31, 1958, Saturday

By WALTER SULLIVAN

Page 17, 778 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - An analysis of weather records from Little America shows a steady warming of climate over the last half century. The rise in average temperature at the Antarctic outpost has been about five degrees Fahrenheit.

SCIENCE IN REVIEW; Warmer Climate on the Earth May Be Due To More Carbon Dioxide in the Air

October 28, 1956, Sunday

By WALDEMAR KAEMPFFERT

Section: The Week In Review, Page 191, 904 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - The general warming of the climate that has occurred in the last sixty years has been variously explained. Among the explanations are fluctuations in the amount of energy received from the sun, changes in the amount of volcanic ...

CLUE TO WEATHER FOUND IN GLACIER;

December 25, 1956, Tuesday

North American Newspaper Alliance.

Page 27, 420 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - WASHINGTON, Dec. 24-- Seven years of observation of the Great Grinnell Glacier in Glacier National Park has given rise to some comment on weather trends.

Frozen Key To Our Climate; The world's ice masses may be ushering in a fifth Ice Age. Frozen Key To Our Climate

December 7, 1958, Sunday

By LEONARD ENGEL

Section: Magazine, Page SM72, 2601 words

DISPLAYING FIRST PARAGRAPH - SEVERAL thousand scientists of many nations have recently been climbing mountains, digging tunnels in glaciers, journeying to the Antarctic, camping on floating Arctic ice. Their object has been to solve a fascinating riddle: what is happening to the world's ice?

A WARMER EARTH EVIDENT AT POL
Debate Round No. 1
nebosleeper

Pro

Thank you for accepting my challenge, I hope we have a fair and intelligent debate. I am glad to see that you are one who believes in global warming. I do however disagree with you when you say that everyone believes in global warming. That is simply untrue. I know of many people who do not acknowledge global warming. I was hoping to debate someone with that mindset, however, I can, and will debate the following argument that man IS responsible for global warming.

I do understand what you are trying to say about all the "scares that people buy into about the warming, or the cooling of the earth. But never before when there has been a warming or a cooling has there been so many industrialized nations that are putting tons and tons of junk into the atmosphere. I believe that there are warming and cooling phases on our planet, however, never before has the temperature been this high, and never before has there been so much carbon in the atmosphere. I believe man is to blame for this because of all the pollution that has been put into the atmosphere.

"We looked at the possibility that solar changes or volcanic effects could have caused the warming - not a chance. What just absolutely nailed it was greenhouse warming." This is a quote from the article about global warming, the link is
http://www.commondreams.org...

consider this quote as well taken from the same resource.

Dr Barnett said that position was untenable because it was now clear from the latest study, which is yet to be published, that man-made greenhouse gases had caused vast amounts of heat to be soaked up by the oceans. "It's a good time for nations that are not part of Kyoto to re-evaluate their positions and see if it would be to their advantage to join," he said.

The study involved scientists from the US Department of Energy, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, as well as the Met Office's Hadley Center.

They analyzed more than 7 million recordings of ocean temperature from around the world, along with about 2 million readings of sea salinity, and compared the rise in temperatures at different depths to predictions made by two computer simulations of global warming.

If you ask me it looks like things are happening like never before, that is why I believe its happening, and we are to blame. You cant surely think that all the plants, and pollutants we as humans put into the air does not have an affect on our environment. To use the argument we have nothing to do with it, would be like saying, "all this carbon were putting into the atmosphere is good for the earth.
Statesman

Con

One of the things that Dr. Barnett states in the link you provided is that they conducted two studies to measure temperature. One from the U.S. and one from England. Dr. Barnett said that he was "Stunned" that the two studies showed the temperature so close to each other. Now Dr. Barnett said that this confirmed global warming because the ocean temperature was warmer. I have to ask though, why was Dr. Barnett "stunned" that the temperatures from the two studies were so close together? It's what they had expected to find. The answer to that question is that there are so many variables one encounters when trying to get a temperature reading from the earth's surface. The fact that Dr. Barnett was "stunned" shows this. A much more reliable way to test earth's temperature is to measure it from space using satellites.

http://science.nasa.gov...

If you go to this website you will find that satellite's have recorded the earth's temperature as almost exactly the same for the last two decades. If anything it actually shows an slight cooling of the earth.
Debate Round No. 2
nebosleeper

Pro

One thing that he also stated was...Dr Barnett said "that position was untenable because it was now clear from the latest study, which is yet to be published, that man-made greenhouse gases had caused vast amounts of heat to be soaked up by the oceans." I will not dispute the evidence you gave me because I don't really see its point in our debate. We are debating wether or not man is the cause of global warming. Satellites telling me the temperature of the earth gives me no evidence if man is responsible for global warming or not. Dr. Barnett said that "greenhouse gases had caused vast amounts of heat to be soaked up by the oceans." Greenhouse gases are caused by none other than the human race. Chemical plants, factories, refineries, things of that sort produce greenhouse gases, not to mention many more things that produce it. Man has created, and ran these types of things that are causing global warming. Again, to say that all the greenhouse gases produced by the human populous is not affecting our environment is ludicrous. With that logic one would have to say that all the junk going into our atmosphere is good for the earth. Its failed logic to not acknowledge the role we have played in global warming. We as humans need to take responsibility for it, and do something about it so our great, great grand-kids can have a clean earth to live on someday. I will leave you with this one article from times online.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk...

notice in the third paragraph down how its says something of the sort (paraphrasing) This should end the controversy of wether man is responsible or not for global warming.
Statesman

Con

It doesn't seem like you've read the entire web page that I had. It goes on to say.
"First, the influence of a man-made doubling of the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is small compared to the Earth's natural cooling rate, on the order of only a percent."
and...
"while the whole Earth is indeed in a state that scientists describe as "radiative equilibrium," where the incoming sunlight equals the outgoing infrared radiation to provide a roughly constant overall temperature, the surface is far from this radiative balance condition. Evaporation and convection processes in the atmosphere transport heat from the surface to the upper troposphere, where it can be much more efficiently radiated into space since it is above most of the greenhouse-trapping water vapor. So in short, it is this convective overturning of the atmosphere - poorly represented in computer models of global warming - that primarily determines the temperature distribution of the surface and upper troposphere, not radiation balance."
and to back this point the Intergovernmental Panal on Climate Change (IPCC) agrees...``
"Feedback from the redistribution of water vapour remains a substantial uncertainty in climate models...Much of the current debate has been addressing feedback from the tropical upper troposphere, where the feedback appears likely to be positive. However, this is not yet convincingly established; much further evaluation of climate models with regard to observed processes is needed."
The computer models that are used to give demonstrations of global warming, the ones we're basing all this stuff of what the worlds going to be like in 100 years don't even understand exactly how the earth's atmosphere works!
Also...
"Images of the Earth, such as this one in the infrared, tell us much about the distribution of water vapor. Areas within the Earth's atmosphere that are extremely dry, especially in the tropics, can act as large "chimneys" that allow energy to freely radiate into space, enhancing the cooling of the Earth. The effects of the tropical dry troposphere are poorly understood, and currently are not well-incorporated into computer models of global warming."
Another thing this website states is that computer simulations are only as good as the physics put into them and there is no way to prove that the physics put into Dr. Barnett's computer are good. Also you use an argument that "to say we have nothing to do with it, would be like saying, "all this carbon were putting into the atmosphere is good for the earth." Ok, so we're doing something that's bad for the earth and therefore we're causing global warming? With that same logic I could say that hitting myself in the head repeatedly with a baseball bat (which is not good for me) caused me to get the flu. It's faulty logic. Also you're basing your entire argument on a study that hasn't even come out yet. You and I don't know what the study says. You can't base an argument on something that you haven't read. You don't know how Dr. Barnett decided that Greenhouse emmissions were causing the oceans to heat up. For all either of us knows he decided to base his theory that greenhouse emmissions caused the ocean to heat up because he saw three oddly colored fish.
So...
-We don't know how Dr. Barnett judged that greenhouse gases were causing the ocean to heat up. Without this we cannot possibly judge his methods and logic behind how he came up with this.
-We do know that the IPCC admits that computer charts of global warming are flawed bacause they don't completely understand how earth's atmosphere (particularly pertaining to water vapor works.)
-We know that based on information from the website I provided that the amount of carbon that man puts into the atmosphere (even if you double it) does not even come close to the amount of cooling the earth does through "chimneys".
This would indicate that the carbon and energy that man puts out actually leaves into space instead of being absorbed into the oceans.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Statesman 8 years ago
Statesman
Anyone who can vote against their personal belief for the person who debated better is a very honest and honourable person. Thank you for your vote.
Posted by left_wing_mormon 8 years ago
left_wing_mormon
I know that global warming exist and agree with Pro, but Con was a better debater, thus I voted for con...which greatly hurt my liberal sensiblities...
Posted by mmadderom 8 years ago
mmadderom
It's not a matter of whether global climate change exists, farfrom, it obviously does...and has since the beginning of this planet. Trying to "stop" climate change is like finding a way to stop tornadoes. We (man) have no control. The theory that it's caused by human interaction is to put WAY too much ego into the equation. 30 years ago the same scientists were predicting a mini-ice age and blaming human behavior for THAT.
Posted by farfrom123789 8 years ago
farfrom123789
i agree that globval warming exists and who ever doesnt believe then believe it. global warming is happening today and if we dont do something about it,we can die. today we can start recycling more and that can be our share in it to stop global warming.
Posted by Jlconservative 8 years ago
Jlconservative
exactly mmadderom is precisely correct.

haha nebosleeper your the first person in existence to call me a redneck or white trash. Thats pretty funny how you call me white trash when I live in a two stories house on the ocean in Ponte Vedra Fl, when I work Monday-Friday every week of the year and make 75,000.00 a year. Its also pretty humorous calling me a redneck when I don't think the Confederate flag should be aloud for the public to display, when I have lived in NYC my entire life up until 2 years ago, its also funny to me that you try to smear me when you know your lies and your crap won't work on me, just like all the lunny lefties do, when you are talking to someone who's intellect is far above yours, and you know we wont buy into the crap you push on the less fortunate you try to smear which in the end still does not work.
Posted by mmadderom 8 years ago
mmadderom
"That doesn't solve the problem of Climate Change in general."

It's not a solvable problem in the first place. You might as well set out to "solve the problem" of hurricanes.

The earth has gone through periods of warmth and cooling since it's existence. The current situation is nothing more than buyers remorse. We ASSUME our very limited interaction has this profound effect on the environment. This is just another case of man making himself out to be more important than he actually is.
Posted by mmadderom 8 years ago
mmadderom
Is "global warming" real? Yes. Is it caused by man? Not likely. At least no more than "Global cooling" was back in the 70's when THAT was the liberal cause of the day. No, the hairspray I used back in 1978 has nothing to do with polar caps melting. The Ozone doesn't have a "hole" in it (Impossible, BTW). Oh, and Al Gore didn't invent the internet, either...
Posted by Korezaan 8 years ago
Korezaan
"Global Warming" should be instead be renamed "Climate Change", as some places are getting wetter, some places are getting dryer, some hotter and some cooler.

The only CP Statesman provides is that we don't need to do anything because there's global cooling elsewhere on the planet. That doesn't solve the problem of Climate Change in general.

RFD:PRO
Posted by blond_guy 8 years ago
blond_guy
i agree with you nebosleeper, global warming does exist and humanity is not helping. sometimes people get so far into these conspiracy theories that it messes with your head and you forget that the earth has never been so hot!!! that's a proven fact. now whether mankind is the cause of it, it doesn't matter. there is a great possibility that the earth will not cool down. and these conspiracy theorists should think about that
Posted by nebosleeper 8 years ago
nebosleeper
wow....go redneck white trash America
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