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ajg897
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Global Warming

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Started: 4/23/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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400spartans

Pro

Hello. Is global warming real? I think so. My opponent has to refute this statement.

1. I am not referring to the question, "Is global warming man-made?"
2. My forfeiture equals automatic win for opponent and vice versa.
3. Please include at least one source per round EXCEPT for round 1.
ajg897

Con

Hello I am debating that global warming is not real, but I am not denying the Earth's temperature is increasing

my points

-the sun goes through natural cycles

-global warming is a misconception

-Polar icecaps melting are a result of the first theory i am going to bring up (next round)
Debate Round No. 1
400spartans

Pro

From what you have said, we can agree that the Earth's temperature is increasing. Right? (respond in round 2)

"the sun goes through natural cycles"

And? What does the sun have to do with CO2 and global warming? Scientists have made an easy explanation for why CO2 warms the earth, so what does the sun have to do with it?

Now, the world has emitted over 30 Gigatons (30 billion tons) of CO2 in 2010 (1) We can be certain that people are causing global warming.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
ajg897

Con

Yes I agree that the Earths temperature is rising, that is no secret.I just do not belive that global warming is the reason why.

My six propositions of alternate climate change are,

The bio-thermostat theorem- that the co2 being placed in the atmosphere is causing natural changes in the output/input of carbon dioxide in plants and animals such as algea, also another possible theorem to add to this is the increasing birth rate of cows, who can produce enought carbon dioxide and methane to fill up a jar the size of Rhode island, source, animals.howstuffworks.com/cowscarbon.

More alternate theories of climate change is the albedo and cloud fromation, this one is short, chnages in the formation of albedo clouds can create a negative feedbacks that cancel out all or nearly all of warming effect of higher level of co2.

-humans forcing the greenhouse effect alternate to greenhouse gases, that the greatest influence on climate is the transformation of Earths surface, like the creating of deserts and the cutting of the rainforests.

-ocean currents, natural changes in the Earths mantle is cause the current of the oceans to move at different speeds or chnage direction all together, the theory states how the natural process of algea is being adapted to the new formation of currents and is a prime factor in the realese of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

-Planetary motion, natural gravitational and magnetic oscillations of the solar system induced by the planets movement through space can dribe climate change and naturaly effect the Earths magnetic field.

-Solar variability - changes in the coronal ejections and magnetic fields of the sun causes changes in the cloud formation, ocean currents, and win that can cause climate change.


This is just a note not a arguement: At first, people where afraid that the earth was going to be placed in another iceage because of Co2 not in a rising temperature.


Debate Round No. 2
400spartans

Pro

You said yourself, "that the co2 being placed in the atmosphere is causing natural changes". Who is placing that CO2 in the atmosphere? Us! See the bottom.

"the increasing birth rate of cows, who can produce enought carbon dioxide and methane to fill up a jar the size of Rhode island"

1. The link is faulty.
2. A jar the size of Rhode Island would be 2-D
3. If you had a jar with the base being Rhode Island, and it was filled with all of the CO2 emitted by humans in 2010, the height of the jar would be:

( (The amount of CO2 emitted by humans in 2010 in tons) * (Number of kilograms in a ton) / (Density of CO2 in kg/m^3) ) / ( (Area of Rhode Island in square miles) * (Number of square meters in a square mile) ) = Height of jar in meters

( 33615389000 * 907.185 / 1.98 ) / ( 1212 * 2589988 ) = Approximately 4906.462 meters

So the jar would be about as high as 6 Burj Khalifas stacked on top of each other. That's for humans.

"chnages in the formation of albedo clouds can create a negative feedbacks that cancel out all or nearly all of warming effect of higher level of co2."

Well, well, well. Look what we have here: (1)

You see, earth's albedo has been very steady, but the earth is warming. The albedo, while playing an important factor, isn't doing much nowadays.

"that the greatest influence on climate is the transformation of Earths surface"

See the bottom.

"how the natural process of algea is being adapted to the new formation of currents and is a prime factor in the realese of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere"

Algae consumes CO2. Look at number 3 in this list: (2)

"natural gravitational and magnetic oscillations of the solar system induced by the planets movement through space can dribe climate change and naturaly effect the Earths magnetic field"

Ridiculous claim needs citation. NOW!

Next one says that the sun can cause climate change.

Well, the sun has been on a cooling trend since the 60's, but the Earth has been warming. (3)

NOTE REBUTTAL!

"At first, people where afraid that the earth was going to be placed in another iceage because of Co2 not in a rising temperature."

Actually, most people thought the earth was going to warm, not go into another ice age. (4)

1. http://www.skepticalscience.com...
2. http://allaboutalgae.com...
3. http://www.skepticalscience.com...
4. http://www.skepticalscience.com...

The thing is, Man-Made Global Warming says that the earth is warming, and people are making the earth warm due to CO2 emissions. If you think that the CO2 emissions are causing something else that causes warming, that still means you believe in Man-Made Global Warming.
ajg897

Con

You first made the point about how I implied carbon dioxide is placed in the atmosphere by humans. You then procede to cherry pick a quote of mine without placing it into context. My point on that post is simply listing a possible alternate theory to climate change.

You then refute my evidence and my link.

I failed to provide you with the actual hieght of the jar that is my fault, but the equation you have provided is faulty, the equation says the amount of co2 humans emmision, you neglected my actual point of the cows in your equation.

This organization, http://timeforchange.org... that 1 kilogram of meat is responsible for the amount of carbon in the atmosphere as a car driving 250 kilometers.

http://www.fao.org..., this website reports that livestock is a bigger threat than humans in contributing to climate change.

Also the same webiste, skeptical science, states that natural causes like oceans and vegitation are 750 giggatons while out output is 29giggatons

Let me use your equation ( (The amount of CO2 emitted by humans in 2010 in tons) * (Number of kilograms in a ton) / (Density of CO2 in kg/m^3) ) / ( (Area of Rhode Island in square miles) * (Number of square meters in a square mile) ) = Height of jar in meters

Lets switch it up witht the amount of greenhouses gases emmited by nature in tons.

( (The amount of greenhouse gases emitted by nature in 2010 in tons) * (Number of kilograms in a ton) / (Density of CO2 in kg/m^3) ) / ( (Area of Rhode Island in square miles) * (Number of square meters in a square mile) ) = Height of jar in meters,

The same webiste foa.org says that cows where responable for 250 million tons so lets do a equation,

(29,000,000,000,000* 907.185/ 1.98) / (1212* 2589988) = 2338635.750884500000 meters or 2,338 miles compared to the 4 mile high jar humans emit. nature greenhouse gases > humans

Look at this the same website you are using to 'disprove me' is also disproving you!!! http://www.skepticalscience.com... that unlike what you said albedo clouds are changing and that there are emmiting more than 2x the greenhouse gases humans are emmiting

You wanted citation for the gravitational magnetic oscillations, here it is: A book from Cornelius van Huten https://books.google.com...

You claim that the sun is on a cooling trend : https://www.skepticalscience.com...

this link says other wise, they claim that the Earth has natural cycles of warming and cooling and that is backed up by the natural cycles of the magnetic field and the sun.

Then you once again deny something I said as faulty well let me back that up too, http://io9.com...

You then say that "if you believe that Co2 emmitions are causing something else to cause global warming, it means that you believe in man-made global warming." I have just proved with evidence,something you failed to provide, and using the links that you provided me that nature emmits more than 35x the amount of greenhouse gases that humans emmit.


Debate Round No. 3
400spartans

Pro

This organization, http://timeforchange.org... that 1 kilogram of meat is responsible for the amount of carbon in the atmosphere as a car driving 250 kilometers."

I hate to break it to you, but the reason why cows aren't usually mentioned in global warming studies is because the cow problem...

Has already been solved!

Fish oils reduce by 20% (1)
Gas capturing by 25% (2)
Fart-reducing supplement by 60% (3)

And farmers who own these cows aren't reluctant in doing this!

However, the CO2 problem has solutions that have been pushed away with reluctance. That's why it's discussed so often.

"Also the same webiste, skeptical science, states that natural causes like oceans and vegitation are 750 giggatons while out output is 29giggatons"

Oh, you mean this one? (4)

*facepalm*

If you were to just READ WHAT IT SAID, you would see that it REFUTES your point. While natural causes emit a lot of CO2, they also capture CO2. We are offsetting the balance, however, which puts CO2 into the atmosphere.

"albedo clouds are changing and that there are emmiting more than 2x the greenhouse gases humans are emmiting"

Wait, they are emitting greenhouse gases? First, that is completely wrong. Clouds don't emit greenhouse gases. Second, Albedo is steady as shown in the website.

"You wanted citation for the gravitational magnetic oscillations, here it is: A book from Cornelius van Huten"

Milankovitch cycles don't explain the rapid warming we see today. Take a look at this. (5)

See how the warming line is kind of steady? However, look where it says 2004. See how it is SIGNIFICANTLY upwards from where the black line ends? That's how quickly the temperature is rising.

"You claim that the sun is on a cooling trend"
"this link says other wise, they claim that the Earth has natural cycles of warming and cooling and that is backed up by the natural cycles of the magnetic field and the sun."

From the link: "Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a slight cooling trend."

"Then you once again deny something I said as faulty well let me back that up too"

Your link supports what I was saying. Try reading it again.

"I have just proved with evidence,something you failed to provide"

Link count for Rounds 1-3!

Pro (Me): 1 4 - 0(Links that were against me) = 5
Con (ajg897): 6 - 2 (Links that were against him) = 4

Here, let me give you a tip:

When citing a source, read it first. It might be against you.

1. http://rationalwiki.org...
2. http://www.dailyfinance.com...
3. http://www.salon.com...
4. https://www.skepticalscience.com...
5. http://en.wikipedia.org...
ajg897

Con

ajg897 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
400spartans

Pro

Extend all arguments.
ajg897

Con

ajg897 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
4 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 4 records.
Posted by 400spartans 1 year ago
400spartans
To ajg897

Thanks for the debate! You are doing really well with this.

400spartans
Posted by leojm 1 year ago
leojm
Oh i'd love to debate this subject and i crush your soul because I'm absolutely again global warming, it doesn't exist. but unfortunately im an adult and life is busy for me right now, but one of these days when im free ill take you up on this.
Posted by lord_megatron 1 year ago
lord_megatron
global warming is of course REAL. It has already been proved. Con has no chance to win debate except on forfeiture.
Posted by Asburnu 1 year ago
Asburnu
All scientific evidence confirms climate shift due to natural cycles. Consider tropical flora found beneath layers of arctic ice that predates human history. Consider that other planets in the solar system are heating up. Does Mars have greedy corporations, factories, SUVs and farting cows? I don't think they have opportunists brainwashing bleeding hearts into sacrificing their rights for a profit either.
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Vote Placed by Nac 1 year ago
Nac
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