The Instigator
hesch
Pro (for)
Losing
19 Points
The Contender
gamingmaster42
Con (against)
Winning
30 Points

Global warming doesn't exist

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gamingmaster42
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/5/2009 Category: Science
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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hesch

Pro

Thank you for accepting this challenge, I would just like to say that I do not intend on bashing your beliefs for any reason, but I believe that global warming does not exist. in fact, there are many scientists who do not believe in global warming, 31,000 American scientists to be more accurate, so trying to say you have science on the side of global warming is clearly not as convincing as many people think. Al Gore, who is obviously a global warming fan, exagerratd the truth and lied 18 times in the movie an inconvenient truth, maybe even more. I just believe that global warming, if it is real, is definitely not a threat and was just thrown out of proportion by corrupt politicians. 31,000 American scientists to be more accurate, so trying to say you have science on the side of global warming is clearly not as convincing as many people think.
gamingmaster42

Con

[Thank you for starting this debate]

I am sure that what my opponent means by the topic is if global warming is human caused, and if it is happening too much. Global warming has occurred and will continue to occur throughout time. So I think my opponent believes that global warming is not a threat.

I'd just like to start out by saying that I have never watched "An inconvenient truth" but I do need to get around to watching it.

Anyways, back on topic:

When we burn fossil fuels carbon dioxide is released. Carbon dioxide absorbs heat. All of this carbon dioxide does not pass through our atmosphere: certainly, some of it does, but most of it is trapped inside the atmosphere.

Now, when too much carbon dioxide is present in the atmosphere, too much heat is therefore absorbed and trapped on the earth. Too much heat in cold places causes melting of glaciers, and causes flooding. Too much heat in hot places causes drought. So we must stop the cause of human-made global warming by stopping the burning of fossil fuels. And if we don't soon, the supply will run out anyway and we will be forced to depend on "green" ways to fuel our cars, etc; OR we will all starve/be flooded to death.
Debate Round No. 1
hesch

Pro

The last sentence of your argument is off topic saying that we will run out of fossil fuels, that doesn't mean global warming is man made. Now, on the link to the chart, it shows that carbon dioxide isn't the cause of heat. You see that in some areas of the chart, the CO2 levels rise and the temperature drops, and visa versa. http://www.whole-systems.org.... This shows that the climate will always change. The earth has warmed, about .5 degrees Celsius in the last 200 years, but, the sun has also gone through changes, and I believe that the sun causes these alterations. The earth has warmed a little, but it doesn't match the amount of CO2 produced, in fact, as you saw on the link, to the graph, you saw that CO2 didn't change the temperature in some areas, and CO2 never is less or more potent, there fore the temperature would always have to be constantly changing with the CO2, and we see that it isn't. It is absurd to say that the glaciers are melting. 90% of the ice in the world is actually growing, which wouldn't happen if global warming was happening. It means that is some parts of the world like America it has grown in heat, but in the south pole it has gotten cooler. This means that it isn't "global" warming at all. Also in defense of your side the ice in MOVING rivers has shrunk in a lot of places, but approximately 90% of the ice in the world is not moving and is in places like the South Pole, thus showing that it isn't "global" warming and it is just a form of hysteria from the media.
gamingmaster42

Con

To your argument of "90% of the ice in the world is actually growing" you do not provide a source. So how do I know if you are telling the truth? I on the other hand will provide you a source right now: http://www.sciencedaily.com...

I would also like to say that :

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

You can click on that link for more information.

Furthermore the sun's life time is about 10 billion years. Differences in a couple hundred years are not noticeable to us: as you said, the increase has been .5 celsius, but, as I said, the rate is increasing.

So, vote con. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by michellular091 5 years ago
michellular091
so very sorry! well this one doesn't provide much evidence.
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
M, The first link seems to me to give good arguments. The second is a dead link.
Posted by michellular091 5 years ago
michellular091
did you click the links? they had some interesting views on why global warming DOESN'T exist.
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
M, Not a conspiracy theory, it's more like a fad. Global warming frenzy is like religious revival fervor that swept the nation in the 1920's and 30's. The global warming fanatics have posed it as a modern battle against infidels. The best book on the subject is "Climate Confusion" by climate scientist Roy Spencer http://www.amazon.com... There is global warming, and has been since the end of the Little Ice Age, around 1800. However, its a concern rather than a crisis. The science is still in its infancy.
Posted by michellular091 5 years ago
michellular091
conspiracy theories or is this the truth?
>>>http://form.douglassreport.com...
>>>http://americanpolicy.org...
Posted by michellular091 5 years ago
michellular091
Hahah, you called me mich. But yes, thank you for that insight. I'm actually doing a paper for Environmental Science whether it exists or not, and that tid bit of info helped me a lot. [can you source it for me?] I did believe it contradicted itself and what was said in the debate. That was the interesting part :)
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
mich, The site explodes the myth that the earth has been cooling for ten years. The do that by *confirming* that it is true, then changing the time scale to show a longer term warming trend. This is fundamentally dishonest. They should say, "Yes, the earth has been cooling for ten years, but ..." and then give their rationalization as to why all contrary evidence to global warming should be discounted. In the late 90s, the 1998 peak was cited as proof of the global warming hockey stick, that temperatures where rising exponentially and would continue to do so. Critics who said that 1998 was just an El Nino effect were denounced as incompetent. The new story is "It was just an El Nino spike, pay it no mind.

Incidentally, further expanding the time scale on the temperature plot would show the earth had been cooling for the previous forty years or so. No chance of that happening. that would verge on honesty.
Posted by michellular091 5 years ago
michellular091
hmm; an interesting site to dispute some of the things BOTH are saying.
http://www.climateinstitute.org.au...

>>>hint. click next after reading the first "myth"
Posted by stew95 5 years ago
stew95
can i just say, supposedly we are the reason for the ice caps melting and holes in the ozone layer developing, says the scientists and the goverment as the go about in their huge cars and jets. Also me putting my t.v. on standby is going to save the world even though there is huge big factories letting tons of fumes of a month.
I don't think so, face the facts...
Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
Poor debate. Pro could have cited the official UN IPCC report that the net ice mass is expected to be stable for the next hundred years. If Antarctic warms from, say, -70 to -65 all that must happen is for precipitation to increase very slightly to increase the ice mass there. IPCC predicts oceans to rise 9 inches in the next hundred years, due to the thermal expansion of the water, not ice melting. How could Pro miss this? Oh well, not a probing debate from either side.
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