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Cherebium
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Zach1357911
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God Does Exsist

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Started: 12/17/2012 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Cherebium

Pro

The big bang theory is nonsensical. Therefore, who or what created the universe except a supreme creator?

There are 5 rounds. I will present an arguement for the PRO side then there will be a rebuttle.
Zach1357911

Con

What proof do you have that God exists besides that you think the Big Bang Theory is nonsense? (which you have no proof of). There is absolutely no proof that God exists and there is information supporting the Big Bang Theory.
Debate Round No. 1
Cherebium

Pro

Evidence 1

The Universe Was Not Started By A "Big Bang"

Ask yourself, Could an explosion in a printing shop produce a dictionary? The likelihood is most remote. But if so, it could never heal its own torn pages or reproduce its own newer editions!

Antoine Lavoisier's Law of conservation of mass states, "matter cannot be created nor destroyed.[1]" Hence, what started or created the big bang to happen? Obviously this is a question that science can never answer, because the answer is not scientific but spiritual.

Hence, scientist cannot explain what caused the big bang to occur.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Zach1357911

Con

A dictionary is a man made object not naturally occurring in nature. So that is a bad example to use because obviously a dictionary cannot "heal its own torn pages or reproduce its own newer editions".

A better example may be the Earth. The Earth is completely natural. I think we can both agree on that. The Earth has water cycles and rock cycles which both recycle the same atoms. Dirty water becomes clean water falling from the sky as rain. Metamorphic rock sinks down into the mantle and is turned into magma and then erupted out a volcano and is volcanic rock.

As far as science knows today matter cannot be created nor destroyed. 600 years ago common knowledge of the smartest humans was that the Earth was flat. Isaac Newton was believed to be an insane man when he explained gravity. Yet today all of that is proven and has become common knowledge. I am not saying that i disagree with Antoine Lavoisier's Law of conservation. I am simply saying that it is a possibility.
Debate Round No. 2
Cherebium

Pro

Scientific Proof

Macroevolution is evolution on a scale of separated gene pools. Meaning we cannot get a whale to evolve to an elephant.

History says that Darwin came first in the attempt to explain life outside creationism in 1859. Then science wrestled with it for over 100 years until the scientific community realized that Darwinism had major flaws in its theory. So the next attempt was Steven Jay Gould with his theory of Punctuated Equilibrium in 1972. Because he saw the flaws with Darwinism he attempt another theory.

Finally in a desperate Scientology-like attempt we have Directed panspermia in 1973 by Francis Crick-the same man who discovered the helix structure of DNA. Directed Panspermia suggests that the seeds of life may have been purposely spread by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization or can be spread from Earth to other planets by humans. Crick found it impossible that the complexity of DNA could have evolved naturally.

Science does not have an answer

God 1, Man 0
Zach1357911

Con

so you ignore the entire scientific community and trust the opinion of 1? you ignore what the other scientists believe and only believe Francis Crick.

Obviously a whale will not evolve into an elephant. there is no need to. a microscopic bacteria over a billion years will evolve into a whale or an elephant though. When there is a fossil record(PHYSICAL PROOF)that shows the progression of an organism how could you not believe it. You are choosing to believe that a mystical being that has never been proven to exist, never shown its existence and the only thing that lets it be known is that supposedly its son came to Earth and told. Again you are believing one single person.

The bible states that god created the earth and all of the creatures on it in 1 week. Dinosaurs lived over 60 million years ago and have died and a new era of creatures has evolved. There are fossils of creatures from 550 million years ago. Man has only been around for the last 100,000 years.
Debate Round No. 3
Cherebium

Pro

Cherebium forfeited this round.
Zach1357911

Con

It appears my opponent is not going to continue this argument or any others. Not been online in 3 days.
Debate Round No. 4
Cherebium

Pro

Cherebium forfeited this round.
Zach1357911

Con

my opponent has not been online in 6 days. he forfeited the debate. vote for me :)
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by devient.genie 4 years ago
devient.genie
DevientGenie 2:7--For those who are smarty pants, the Genie is not deviant, the second 'e' is testament to that fact. He is merely splashing a glass of ice water on the world :)

CaptainObvious 1:4--The planet earth is covered with 70% water. Of the remaining 30%, you have desert and mountains and other non livable areas, so about 15% of earths surface is actually livable. Why? Poor design or poor designer? Birth defects have been around since the beginning of time, but why, poor design or poor designer? The preceeding true scripture is brought to you by our faithful sponsors, CHECK and MATE :)

CaptainObvious 1:35--Genetics is the science of genes, heredity, and variation in living organisms, DNA is an informational molecule encoding the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms and many viruses. Fractal Geometry is the geometry of fractals, Quantum Physics is a branch of physics dealing with physical phenomena at microscopic scales, where the action is on the order of the Planck constant. Quantum mechanics departs from classical mechanics primarily at the quantum realm of atomic and subatomic length scales. Quantum mechanics provides a mathematical description of much of the dual particle-like and wave-like behavior and interactions of energy and matter, all these things were unknown to Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin and all ancient people. These discoveries make it painfully obvious that the reason for everything is NOT admittingly jealous and interested in your sex life and convicting you of thought crimes :)

GAMEOVER 10:26--The Theory of Evolution is just like the Theory of Gravity, testable, repeatable, falsifiable, and fits known empirical evidence. Advocating intellectual honesty, is the single most corrosive thing for religious dogma :)

Delusional 9:16--44% of Americans believe god literally gave the land of israel to the jews. Awwww, he's also a real estate broker how cute :)
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