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God Is not good.

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Started: 9/5/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Grayneer

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This will be quite lengthy. So common debate format applies.
summerfiend

Con

God is the creator of the heavens and the earth, so asserts the Bible. As the Creator, God was free to create whatever laws He felt would necessitate the continuance of His creation. All things operate within these rules of nature, and continue to do so. All things, with the exception of man. Consider that man is credited with "Original sin." What more is sin than breaking the law? In His infinite mercy, to contradict the affects of original sin, God sent His only begotten son to pay the penalty due for the sins of all mankind.
When Moses was chosen to lead the people out of Egypt, this was the beginning of God's revelation of the Judean religion that was intended to govern the thoughts and culture of man. It was up to man to accept or reject the laws handed down by God, such as the Ten Commandments.
Now, let us consider the time of Jesus, who is the Son of the Living God. During his last week on Earth, Jesus brought to completion the Judean concept of animal sacrifice in atonement for sins. Instead, Jesus became the lamb of God; he would be the sacrifice. These examples are not the evidences of a bad god. Rather, they are the demonstrations of a good, loving, all encompassing God. What is bad is how man has twisted the two religions God bestowed upon man into what religion has become. In the year 15 CE, there was one Christian religion. Today there are over 2,500 registered Christian denominations in the United States alone, all arguing that theirs is the only true religion, and all others are wrong. And yet, none of them are even close to the Judaism, nor the Christianity that God bestowed upon man for his own salvation.
It is man alone who is in need of the salvation of Christ, because man is the only being to have fallen from grace. All other animals remain in the state of grace that God created them in. God created man in his image and likeness, with free will to accept or reject, to be a good person or not; to achieve eternal life, or lose it. He knew it would be a difficult task, so He gave His only son to restore man through Baptism (cleansing of original sin), Communion (through which we attain physical and spiritual contact with God), Confession (by which we obtain forgiveness of sins, which return us to a state of grace - until we sin again). Man has been free to accept or reject these things. It is not God who is not good; it is man who is not good. It is only through God that man can become everything that God intended him to be.
That God created the heavens and the earth, and all living things on the earth and under the sea and created man last is indicative of something: All things were created for His crowning achievement - his greatest creation: man. Simply for man alone did God create existence. For the love of man, God created everything necessary for the existence and comfort of man. When man failed God, He sent his only begotten son, Jesus, to pay the price and pave the way for the redemption of man. And still, man turns his back on God, going his own way, living in his own sin, and turning his will toward himself, rather than toward God and the community. When Christ said "The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" he meant that wherever the believer is, there is the Kingdom of God. This consists of charity, mercy, and all the other corporal acts. But, wherever there is greed, selfishness, pettiness, self-will, the Kingdom of Heaven cannot be. In the end, it is not God who is bad. On the other hand, God is beyond that of good; God is the very definition of perfection. It is man who is bad.
Debate Round No. 1
Grayneer

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summerfiend

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Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
common. What about cancer, death, disease. Those came with the fall.Psalms 103:3 God heals ALL diseases. Takes care of the cancer and disease and most of the etc.'s. Whosoever believes in the only begotten son of God shall not perish but have everlasting or eternal life. Takes care of that one too.God is not the one that sinned. It was man who brought that mess on himself. God just stepped into a human body and became sin, not with his own, but with yours and mine. The bible says he died for the ungodly. That's me. I sure qualified there. That means he died for me and for you too, you ugly thing.
Posted by Commondebator 3 years ago
Commondebator
The Bible is not a valid source. It was written in a time of superstitions, when people had hardly any sense of science.

Lets not forget cancer, death, disease, etc etc.
Posted by evangambit 3 years ago
evangambit
I suspect the argument will cite numerous occasions of unnecessary death from the Bible, as well as the fact that God needlessly condemns people to eternal damnation (I believe many ethical systems would condemn this, given that God has infinite, more ethical alternatives).
Posted by Truth_seeker 3 years ago
Truth_seeker
How do you define good?
Posted by Natsu_Dragneel 3 years ago
Natsu_Dragneel
I'm curious as to what your argument will be. Your breathing aren't you? That's probably the best gift you've ever gotten...ever. Still, feel free to throw the gift in Gods face, because its yours to do what you want.
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