God Loves you
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Ok.......open debate, have at it.
Assuming god exists:
What you have said is that if you disobey god, god will hate you, but he will still love you. I understand that this is a scenario you wanted to cover from the beginning, but why does god have to be good in the first place? If you point to miracles, then miracles do not mean god, they mean that we have good luck. There is no logical way to say that god is the reason anything exists. If a loving god exists, then there would be an understandable sign, not just an unclear method.
Besides, if god is so loving, then he would have paid attention when he made us. There are many examples of much more perfect cultures in fiction, and god, being all-powerful, would have thought about those creatures and made them instead. If god is so powerful, then why would he choose us to love? And if he decided on us anyways, wouldn't he have guided us towards good?
Finally, the notion that it is our fault that we do not accept god is quite ridiculous. God is all-powerful, and thus he should understand how to communicate with us (he created us , after all). It is not our fault, as people, with limits and barriers, to try to believe something so seemingly improbable without any clear hints in the other direction.
And if he is worried about us surpassing him, then that in itself is proof that he does not love you. If he loved you, then he would allow you to grow stronger than him.
God may be peaceful, and he may not hate you, but that does not mean he loves you. If God loves you, then he would have sent a sign to save us from what you know as damnation. Finally, if he doesn't know if we're good or bad, then he cannot know whether he should love you.
I'm sorry if I did a bad job, but this is my first debate, and it's late in the night where I am.
I know you are very enthusiastic about your message, but could you please take a step back and consider my argument? No offense, but I feel like you're not really considering me as a fellow debater (albeit one from the opposite side). Instead, you're trying to preach to me, stating it differently so that I may understand that God is good.
Why in the world would god want us to stay with him? To be honest, I would appreciate not dying, but the times I have learned and the times I have grown were the times when I suffered. Without suffering, I would not learn anything. Basically, in heaven I would be as trapped as if I was in hell, and there would be no difference.
On the other hand, if I want to be free, I am forced with the reality that I may not find my way back to him. If I was god, I would be good, but I do not know the intention of god. People can fake goodness; Hitler's initial support was from trying to "restore" Germany.
Besides, how are we enemies of god? Any sinning that my ancestors have done were done by my ancestors, and any sins I have done are unintentional. If God still thinks I'm his enemy, then the process has gone wrong somewhere, and I'm open to what I have done. I just don't know what I have done yet.
God offers you peace in that He paid for your enmity, He took your penalty in death. Death is the penalty for playing devil's advocate when you are defying God. God Himself took your death when He became a man like you (you are man enough to be called a man, or woman enough to be called a woman if you are female, you talk like an adult when you play devil's advocate) He paid the price of death for you to buy you back from what you have lsot in playing the devil's advocate. What you have lost is your life. God wants to give it back to you. He wants to make you a new creature who when freed from death will never again play devil's advocate. Devil's advocate is a losing game, and what you will lose is your soul in the fire of Hell.
Do you understand that Jesus Christ is God who took your death, and rose from the dead bodily after He paid for your sins with His own blood? This is the love of God in action, He loves you so much He died for you even while you were His enemy.
Based on the fact that His blood paid for your life which was against Him, in His resurrection you can have forgiveness from God and be on the receiving end of God's peace. He offers you pardon and eternal life through the blood of His Son.
What will He do for you in death if you, in life, do not care how much He loved you and what He went through to prove His love for you? God loves you.
As far as I know, no one has confirmed Jesus, God, or anything else out there. You state that God loves us, even as he hates us. So, he's contradicting himself. I understand that human beings can sometimes express dual emotions, but if a being such as God has such extremes, then how do we expect one emotion to express itself consistently?
Besides, the whole debate has been on whether God loves you. I believe that you need to earn God's respect, and therefore his love. You believe that God already loves you, even though he might hate you if you constantly disobey. I hope in the final two rounds, we (especially I) can answer this more directly, in our responses to each other.
How is god love? Please try to expand on this, otherwise I won't understand and the whole thing will be for nothing. You have done a good job explaining what God has done because of his love, but how can an emotion be conscious? Besides, if God is love, are there other personified emotions watching us?
God is God. God is love. How am I supposed to know why or how God is God or how He is love? It is Him who made us, we did not make ourselves. He loves us because that's His nature. Life means God is good. He is the giver of life. He loves you because He loves His creation. He gave you free will because He loves you personally and He desires to keep you in eternal life where you can know His love forever. You are asking a lot of questions. I'm trying to answer them all at once. Why not concede that God loves you? It is good to know God loves you. You will probably win this debate because I have done this identical debate several times and the voters will say I did not prove God loves you. You have to believe God loves you or you will never know God loves you and I will never be able to prove it to you. Even God Himself cannot prove to you that He loves you if you will not believe He loves you. He really does love you, He knows the hairs of your head by number. He knew you before you were conceived in your mother's womb. He knows everything about you and He loves you. He wants you to trust Him so He can save you from Hell. Jesus Christ the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is the answer to all of your questions. When life hurts, look to Him. He's going to set everything in order. God loves you.
Since I do not have much time right now, this argument will be short.
Your proof cannot be logically supported without another statement. After all, "If a, then a" is circular logic, no matter what "a" is. The only exception is if god is an idea, and then whether god loves you depends on whether you believe he does, and that does not have to be true.
Jesus Christ is not the answer to every question; two plus two does not equal Jesus Christ. Of course, if you mean by all open-ended and unknown questions, then there will always be a solution that we can find. After all, 500 years ago, you could have said the stars were there because of Jesus Christ, but we know today that it is because of the way the universe formed. (People have proven it before.)
If you mean in a philosophical context, as if "why are we here", then I cannot prove that Jesus Christ is not the answer, because of the characteristics of the questions. However, you, by the same logic, cannot prove that it is.
Besides, you have not supported the argument; you have provided assurance. There is a subtle difference.
I don't have to prove anything. God proves Himself. It is impossible for God to prove that He loves you if reject the possibility that God really does love you personally. God loves you. Any voter who by his vote says God does not love you is being cruel to you. They can't hurt me, I know God loves me the same as He loves you. This debate is worthless to me except for trying to get you to see that God loves you.
All the constellations, all the stars - they're patterns on an endless universe.
Is this proof of god? Science says no. But then again, science answers "how", not "why".
Yes, you can say god exists over and over. I personally believe that there is an entity somewhere. But, I think that the specifics - such as love, identity, and political view aren't specific enough. You are right in that your opinion depends on, well, your opinion, but I don't think you should try to impose this right onto others.
In my opinion. God, whoever he is, is incomparable with people like us, so anything that we may try to come up with on our own will probably fall apart - although some of our ideas may come close. To say that he loves us is to try to describe him - or her - or it - and such a simple explanation will fall apart. Love, although powerful, is too simple to mean anything to a being such as him.
I wish I could speak with the same confidence that you speak with, but I do not think this issue is so clear. In the end, we can only have God as an idea, and although your god may love everyone, "God loves you" is saying "God loves everyone", and not everyone believes god loves them.
I still wish he did, though.
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Vote Placed by Saska 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Both debaters were civil to each other and there were no specific rules set up that were then broken, so conduct is equal. Spelling and grammar were also equal in my eyes, and neither side used any sources. So the only points awarded are for arguments. Pro has the burden of proof to show that God loves you, and fails to provide any real evidence to support his side. Pro's entire argument was basically just him preaching to Con without providing any good reasons to believe what was being said. Pro makes us assume that God is he real, Jesus is the son of God, we all deserve to burn in hell, etc. Con was able to question and refute Pro's arguments sufficiently, to the point where Pro's BOP was not met.
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