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Kollo
Pro (for)
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squonk
Con (against)

God Must Exist

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Started: 1/4/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Kollo

Pro

Everything in the universe must have a cause, or else it would not be.

We can trace back all these causes to the very beginning of the universe.

The Cause that began with it all must be in some way different to all other causes: it must be itself uncaused.

We cannot imagine how something could be not be caused except in one case. If the First Cause existed outside of time, then it would be silly to speak of it being caused, since Cause and effect require time to be in operation for them to make sense: there is a time when the effect has not happened yet, then there is a time when the effect is happening, and finally comes a time when the effect has happened. If there is no time, then the concepts of Cause and effect lose their meaning.

We can thus deduce that the first Cause had to exist outside of time.

This form of existence turns out, in fact, to be one of the very descriptions of God.

Thus, if the First Cause is necessary to explain every other cause and effect that followed it; and if the characteristics of the First Cause match up exactly with the characteristics of God...

It is logical to assume that God is the First Cause, and that it is necessary to believe that God exists.
squonk

Con

It is hard to believe that something as intricate as our universe could spring into existence spontaneously; without premeditation or external stimulus. However, it is equally hard to believe that a being with the power to create something as intricate as our universe could exist spontaneously. If the existence of the universe demands an explanation, then surely God's existence demands an explanation. If you're going to say that "a being with the power to create our universe ex nihilo simply exists" and leave it at that, you might just as well say, "the universe simply exists."
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Posted by DrCereal 1 year ago
DrCereal
Since you're nearing his subject of expertise, I would recommend looking into Lawrence Krauss. He commonly discusses the beginning of the universe, and he may have very well answered any of the questions you may have on the subject.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
Easy refutation of Kalam Argument: Where did God come from, and what happened before the Universe? Without time, events can't happen.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Your logic : A) I do not know = so there must be a god. B) I do not know a god = But he must be.
There was never a reason for a god.
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