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theta_pinch
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Bendurisgrate
Con (against)
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God can't exist

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/25/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 819 times Debate No: 42941
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theta_pinch

Pro

God can't exist. Con must prove God can exist. Pro must prove god can't exist.
Bendurisgrate

Con

I accept your debate and wish you the best of luck.
Debate Round No. 1
theta_pinch

Pro

First the definition of God: A being that is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent.


I will argue based on three points.
1. The Omnipotence Paradox
2. The argument from free will.
3. The argument from quantum mechanics.

The Omnipotence Paradox

This is an example of the Omnipotence Paradox: "can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it."If God can lift the rock then he's not omnipotent because he can't create a rock so heavy he can't lift it. If God can't lift the rock than he's not omnipotent because his strength is limited. So either way God is not omnipotent.

The Argument From Free Will

If God is omnipotent he is able to create a being with free will. God must also be omniscient in which case he must know what choice that creature with free will will make. This is a paradox because if God know what choice the creature will make, then that creature doesn't have free will; its choice is already determined. If God doesn't know what choice the creature will make, it does have free will, but then God isn't omniscient because there is something he doesn't know. So either way God does not have one of his defining attributes.

The Argument From Quantum Mechanics

This is an argument that I created. It goes like this: God is omniscient meaning that he is observing every particle in the universe. In the double slit experiment an electron was shot at two slits and passed through both because it was a wave and when it hit the detector it became a particle. This is called wave function; the double slit experiment showed that a particle is a wave until it is observed; when it becomes a particle its wave function has collapsed. Now if God is omniscient he MUST be observing every particle in the universe. However if this is true then the electrons in the double slit experiment wouldn't have a wave function since they would have been observed by God; but the electrons did have a wave function. Therefore God cannot be omniscient and has lost one of his defining attributes.


Conclusion
In the first two arguments the defining features of God create a paradox and in the third it shows that God can't be omniscient without completely changing the way the universe acts. Since Gods properties create paradoxes and aren't compatible with the universe I contend that God cannot exist.

Sources:
Wikipedia
My brain*

*Only for the argument from quantum mechanics
Bendurisgrate

Con

I must say you have come very well prepared but i'll give my arguments against what i can.
2.Free will-we do have the ability of free will but it seems more likely that he knows all based on what he can observe and infer just like looking at our past and making a guess at what we will do
Debate Round No. 2
theta_pinch

Pro

Con has provided one counter argument: "2.Free will-we do have the ability of free will but it seems more likely that he knows all based on what he can observe and infer just like looking at our past and making a guess at what we will do."
This statement does not support cons claim. Con says that God likely knows all from observation and inference based on our past to make a guess what we will do, however the definition of know is "to be absolutely certain or sure about something." The definition of Omniscient is "all knowing;"which means that an omniscient being must know everything with absolute certainty; no inferences or guesses allowed. So Cons argument is actually going against his case that God can exist.
Bendurisgrate

Con

Bendurisgrate forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
theta_pinch

Pro

Conclusion: God cannot exist.
Sources: Everything above.

Bendurisgrate

Con

Bendurisgrate forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Thelord444 3 years ago
Thelord444
even through you can never prove that god exist, but i would like to re-debate this with you if you want to, please re debate this and challenge me to it.
Posted by RicardoChaves 3 years ago
RicardoChaves
Huge debate :) looking forward!
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Vote Placed by NightofTheLivingCats 3 years ago
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