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Now that I have pointed out what stance I will be taking, and since you have stated what you want to use for an argument; please post your 'evidence' in the next round and I will more than gladly send my rebuttal.
Also, thank you for taking the time to debate with me. It's much appreciated.
Bolshevism I think you would agree is quite poisoning as well.
My opinion on science is that it is completely profit driven; corporations won't shell out the grants for something they can't yield investment in.
An example of science being exclusive to profits:
The Philippine Pygmy http://en.wikipedia.org...
They reach full adult-hood at 12 years of age, have an average life-span of 16 years and die of old age at 27, and are quite possibly modern surviving homo-erectus; but frankly, no one cares (as noticed by the very short reference list).
I hold that these Aeta People are the result of evolution and that civilized man (Adulthood 18 years, peak age 120 years) are the result of creationism/alien seed theory.
So my first miraculous exposition will be the Image of Guadalupe:
i. Miraculously Received in 1531AD
ii. No undersketching or underdrawing
iii. Material disintegrates in 30 years but hasn't after 500 years
iv. Attempts to make copies have failed
v. Survived acids and fire
vi. Maps Stellar Constellations Unknown Until Late 20th Century In The Position They Were Aligned That Day In 1531AD
vii. Eyes of Image Demonstrate Purkinje-Sanson Law And Contain Microscopic Images
viii. Image Changes Color At Distances
ix. Image Maintains Constant Temperature Regardless Of Room Temperature
Now, for your so called miracle. http://en.wikipedia.org... Scroll down to Technical Analysis on that page. As I suspected the image has been constantly tampered with to preserve it longer than the normal material would allow for. Also, brush strokes were found on the painting. Just because MOST of the people in the 1500's needed to do an under sketch doesn't mean that all painters needed one.
Do you really believe this? I could burn the image of jesus into my arm right now and claim that it just appeared and half of all Christians would instantly accept that as evidence. Proof even. Obviously it's a little different than your claim, but still you get the idea.
I'll leave you with a quote from the great late Christopher Hitchens. "What is more likely? That the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor (a miracle), or that you are under a grave misapprehension?"
Actually I was raised atheist but became Catholic after a supernatural event and much research.
So my next exposition will be something modern, a caught on film apparition of the Virgin Mary in 2011 over the Ivory Coast.
The technical aspects are absolutely incredible, when you look at the un-enhanced original video you cannot see anything but the sun, but if you tilt your laptop screen to dim brightness the apparition appears.
I could not find any or anyone with means to recreate this supernatural chameleon effect with software or even begin to hypothesize how . The first video is dimmed (digitally) and shows what the crowd saw.
The second video is the original and the miracle happens at 1:40 when the crowd starts screaming; you can pause it there and see how dimming screen brightness (by tilting laptop screen) makes it visible.
I would be very impressed if you could explain how this could possibly be forged.
First off, let me ask you an easy question. Do you believe aliens have visited the earth before? Because there are thousands more videos that are much more impressive than that one of the virgin mary, that have been put together in a more talented and sly manner. There are videos of UFO sightings that make even the greatest disbelievers start to believe.
However, it is slightly possible that the video hasn't been tampered with in any way shape, or form. This being the case you have to look at the fact that the atmosphere has been turning pollution and other gases into shapes and forms that humans automatically fit into whatever it is they want it to fit. If I saw two white clouds crossing each other like two bones I could instantly match it with crossbones which are an image of death. If I were a fanatic I could then get everyone else to believe that what i saw was a revelation when in fact it was a mere coincidence.
Humans are a pattern seeking species. All we do is look for ways of putting things together to fit what we know, or in religions case what we think we know. You need to give me something much more concrete, and empirical, if you are to have me accept any of this 'evidence'. For instance, science put a man on the moon- that's evidence that it works, religion crashes planes into buildings, commits mass genocide, starts the crusades, what does this say about religion?
Your denial mechanism is more miraculous than anything Jesus did, scientists should capture you and run tests so that we may eventually have superior mental abilities like you.
So I am going to throw out a defense for the necessity by nature of religious mass-killings with modern examples.
This video above is regards to a man who sued his wife for producing an ugly baby. Record numbers of Asians are getting plastic surgery, why is it that the majority of the Asian Population can only be described as "butt-f8cking-ugly"?
Inbreeding. These Countries have unnaturally gone over 1000 years without being utterly sacked, all the men killed, and all the women raped. The gene-pool hasn't been reset and now every Chinese is practically a second cousin to each other.
To make matters worse, the rules of war have changed and you can no longer execute all adult-age males and rape the women, which means the gene-pool can never be reset now.
God now has to step in with the apocalypse to reset the gene pool.
You don't want to argue the moral issue of religion with me, because you will lose. Period. If you're saying people who aren't religious are immoral because people in china inbreed with one another, than you are obviously an ignoramus. First off, what makes sleeping with people related to you wrong? If you want to get SUPER technical I could tell you that we are ALL related. We're related to fish for goodness sake! Your argument is invalid. Just because inbreeding is risky doesn't make it immoral. Abortion is risky, childbirth is risky, neither of those are immoral.
I'll tell you what the definition of evil is though.
Killing 99.9% of the population on earth because mankind isn't using his free will like you intended him to. Pure evil.
Nature absolutely demands speciation, and absolutely hates towns and villages where the people inbreed for hundreds of years.
Nature punishes the incestuous areas by making the offspring utterly stupid, weak, and pitifully ugly; easy to kill by the marauding invaders.
Nature also brings the marauding invaders, tricking them into thinking they'll get gold, restored honor, et. al by killing everyone; making them unwitting pawns in the demand for speciation.
Closed borders, e-trade, and modern military defense has ensured the continual inbreeding.
Nature is f*cking pissed. We will certainly see a World War 3 (Armageddon) in our lifetime; and we'll think it was over Assad using chemical weapons or Iran building nukes; atheists will blame religion; but really it was just the intelligence of nature guiding us the entire time.
Honestly, I don't really think I need argue with you anymore. Everyone with some sort of intelligence will know who won this debate.
We have the person who grew out of santa claus and the easter bunny, but not God.
We have I, the free thinker.
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