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polka-dots323
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VenomousNinja
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God is Real and Evolution and the Big Bang Theory Aren't

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Started: 2/10/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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polka-dots323

Pro

A lot of people say, well there is no proof for God, so how can he be real? Well,how logical really is the idea of evolution and the Big Bang Theory? How could there be nothing, and then something? Nothing+Nothing=Nothing...And even if there was an atom,where did the atom come from? Try explaining that. I have many pointns that go against the idea of evolution. Just think about life. Think of how wonderful life is. Just life itself is a miracle. Tell me where and how the planets formed and the universe began. Just let me know if you can answer or counter-argue with any of these questions and statements.
VenomousNinja

Con

I have one argument against your statements: If nothing created God, why would something have to create the universe. It could've always been there, and it could've created, what you call, "God".
Debate Round No. 1
polka-dots323

Pro

You say, "What if the universe has always existed?" Well, if it has, then what is the point of the Big Bang Theory saying that an atom created it? Where did the atom come from? God was not "created." He is the Alpha and Omega. He has been here forever and will always be. Here on Earth, we are used to the idea of everything having a begining and an end. A birth and a death. The idea of something exiting for eternity is an idea so large and hard to comprehend for humans. We just can't imagine something or someone existing forever and ever. Also, again about your comment about the universe existing forever, where did it come from? The idea of God existinf forever is more practical than the idea of the universe existing forever.
VenomousNinja

Con

"Well, if it has, then what is the point of the Big Bang Theory saying that an atom created it?"

Technically, the atom would be the entire universe until it exploded and created the world we know.

"God was not 'created.'"

How come the universe has to be created, but God doesn't? Your statement fails to rebute any part of my statement.

"where did it come from?"

Where did God come from? Oh, wait, I know!

"He is the Alpha and Omega. He has been here forever and will always be."

Waiit... Why does God get to be there forever and not the universe?

"The idea of God existinf forever is more practical than the idea of the universe existing forever."

Not really. When you think about it, they're equally not pratical.

So, in the end, you failed to rebute anything I said. I shall leave you with this question, once again:

If nothing created God, why would something have to create the universe?
Debate Round No. 2
polka-dots323

Pro

"Technically, the atom would be the entire universe until it exploded and created the world we know."

Well, technically an atom is so incrediblly small and you have to use a microscope to see it. If an atom exploded, how did it create space and time? HOw did it create anything? WHERE DID THIS "ATOM" come from??? If it always existed, where did it come from? An atom could not just exist forever, and that is not The Theory of Evolution. You need to do your research. You also failed to rebut my comments and questions.

"How come the universe has to be created, but God doesn't? "

God has and will exist for eternity. He created the universe. The Theory of Evolution states that the universe formed from an atom exploding. It has not existed as a whole forever.

"Where did God come from? Oh, wait, I know"

What???

"Waiit... Why does God get to be there forever and not the universe? "

God does not "get" to be here forever, he has been here forever. The universe existing forever is not the Big Bang THeory. That is the concept which we are debating.

"Not really. When you think about it, they're equally not pratical"

No they are not. What/Who created the atom that exploded? Logically speaking, everything that exists must have a creator. Take for example a toy in a box. That toy had not been there forever. Something had to have placed it there. God created the universe. Therefore, it is not logical for the universe to exist forever.

Now, I have questions for you:

1. How did life itself happen? Did we just arise from dust? How do you explain life and death. Actually living seems to miraculous to just "occur."

2. If life "evolved" on Earth to fit Earth's conditions, why hasn't life "evolved" on the moon or Mars or the Sun???
VenomousNinja

Con

"If an atom exploded, how did it create space and time?"

It was a really big explosion...

"WHERE DID THIS 'ATOM' come from???"

It was always there.

"An atom could not just exist forever"

And as such neither could God, because if one thing can exist forever, why can't another?

"and that is not The Theory of Evolution."

Of course it isn't, it's the Big Bang Theory!! You should know that...

"God has and will exist for eternity."

How do you know god isn't the atom, I mean, after all, a regular atom doesn't create that big of an explosion, now does it? Or, how do you know the atom also didn't exist forever and god manipulated late in his/her life to explode, forming life, since god is a higher being than an abnormal atom.

"The Theory of Evolution states that the universe formed from an atom exploding. "

No it doesn't, the Big Bang Theory states that the universe formed from an atom exploding. The Big Bang Theory is not the Theory of Evolution.

"The universe existing forever is not the Big Bang THeory. "

Actually, it is. Once again, the atom would be the whole universe before it exploded, and for an atom to create life as we know it, it has to be there for a while to gain enough energy(energy comes packed in with the atom) to explode with such force. I'd say a good part of forever is enough time, wouldn't you?

"What/Who created the atom that exploded?"

What/Who created god that made the universe?

"Logically speaking, everything that exists must have a creator."

Who was God's creator then?

"1. How did life itself happen? Did we just arise from dust? How do you explain life and death. Actually living seems to miraculous to just "occur.""

Who knows? I say that the higher power(s) created life, and they could do that anyway they want. After all, they're the higher powers.

"2. If life "evolved" on Earth to fit Earth's conditions, why hasn't life "evolved" on the moon or Mars or the Sun???"

Because Earth is more fit for life, as it has liquid water and a reasonable temperature.
The suns hot, Mars is cold, and neither of them has water.

Of course, this would be correct only if life hadn't evolved on that planet and that star, which, they did, but that is a different debate for a different time.

Okay, I will say this to the jury, and only this: My opponent failed to mention any evidence he had against the theory of evolution, like he mentioned in his opening. My opponent also failed to truly rebut any of my claims, but I was able to rebut many if not all of his claims.

Vote wisely, my Dear Jury, vote wisely...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by VenomousNinja 6 years ago
VenomousNinja
You know, looking back on this debate, I could've argued the definite scientific proof for evolution, and gotten that point out of the way as a back up.
Posted by polka-dots323 8 years ago
polka-dots323
What kind of "proof against GOd" can you provide for me?
Posted by bobsatthepub 8 years ago
bobsatthepub
There is also no evidence for my care factor.
People arguing for god should stop making empty promises of proof and just going back to their own self faith thing.
Like homosexuals, I have no problem with them, just as long as they don't try to come onto me. AKA do your preaching in quiet.

There is HEAPS of evidence against god, stop giving me titles for your logic and provide some depth.
Posted by VenomousNinja 8 years ago
VenomousNinja
There is also alot of evidence proving the big bang theory and evolution.
There is also no evidence for God.
People could say the people who "expierence" God should be in an insane asylum.
Believing everything you read is like believing everything a lier tells you.
No, they don't, they have your "faith". Which is just somthing invented to make up for lack of proof.
Posted by polka-dots323 9 years ago
polka-dots323
There is also a lot of evidence proving against the big bang and evolution. There is no evidence that is against God. There is proof through the ways that people experience God in their lives. Also, proof is in the Bible. People who believe in God do not need "proof." We believe in God due to faith and how we experience Him in our everyday lives.
Posted by Garibovic7 9 years ago
Garibovic7
Polka-Dots323, there is a lot of evidence backing up evolution and the big bang theory, what evidence do u have that God exists??
Posted by DoctaFly 9 years ago
DoctaFly
An asinine debate. There is no god. The closest thing to God is when I am in bed with da ladies.

Belief in God is for the weak minded.
Posted by eyeleapy 9 years ago
eyeleapy
Lets all say god did everything, so i woke up because god made me, i kill people because god made me do it. he is all powerfull, then it's all his fault this world sux. I think he couldn't heat up a burrito so hot because he's not that powerful to heat up something before it turns to ash, noone is, noone, and if you say otherwise, you're a satanist. :) jk
Posted by ShrimPman 9 years ago
ShrimPman
Can God heat up a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?
Posted by ShrimPman 9 years ago
ShrimPman
nothing + nothing = positive something always

just throwing that out there.....
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