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God is able to do anything

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joustfortheround
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/5/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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alexbitu19

Con

The Maxwell Paradox says:
Can an omnipotent being create an unmovable stone?
If it can, it isn't omnipotent, since it can't move the stone.
If it can't, it isn't omnipotent.
Think about it.
joustfortheround

Pro

Sentence Analysis

First let us understand our definitions. By God we mean something so powerful that cannot be resisted by anything. Or for short we"ll just call it "something that can"t be resisted." By "stone so big" we mean something so big and heavy that it can resist everything. We"ll call it "something that can resist everything". Now when we replace those definitions in our sentence we get this: "Can something that can"t be resisted, create something that can resist everything?" OK but we seem to be forgetting something. If something is created it will have to exist and for this to work both of these have to co-exist. So the real statement becomes:

"Can something that can"t be resisted co-exist with something that can resist everything?"

Well immediately, we see the sentence is pure nonsense. If something can"t be resisted how can something exist that can resist it? Either it can or it can"t. It is or it isn"t. It can"t be both.

In fact our original statement can be further logically contracted to: Can something that can"t be resisted be resisted?
This violates the law of non-contradiction. i.e. A cannot be both A and NOT A at the same time. If you disagree with the law of non-contradiction then an ancient Muslim scholar named Abu =Ali al- Husayn ibn Abd Allah ibn Sina or Avicenna for short has the cure as follows: Any one who rejects the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned. He should be beaten until he accepts the fact that to be beaten is NOT the same as to not be beaten and he should be burned until he accepts the fact that to be burned is not the same as to not be burned.

So in essence the idea of God being able to do "anything" is illogical unless taken with his being. He cannot do anything which is not actually possible, for example he cannot make 1+1=3, He cannot make black actually white, He cannot paint a door black with red paint bought from Home Depot and no added chemicals (at least not without some sort of other activity), He cannot give someone freedom of choice and then and then not let them choose (note some of these are obviously irrational but it would seem fallacious to try to argue that the source of all rationality could be irrational itself).

So if you ask me, "Can God can do anything?" I would say No. Why is this? Because I believe God is Omnipotent (all powerful) but he is not omni-able (i.e. able to do anything). There"s a clear distinction between the two. We believe that God is all powerful, not all capable when it comes to irrationality. And if you think about this, this is really tied into His character, His personality, His being.
Debate Round No. 1
alexbitu19

Con

Well, first of all, God gave us all freedom of choice, but if we don't do as He says, we will end up in Hell. It doesn't seem like a choice to me. Also, in the Bible it says God made everything from nothing. It contradicts the laws of relativity (thou shall not create matter or energy) and also you can only move relative to something (eg: 50 km/h relative to the road) so you can't move if there isn't anything ANYWHERE.

Also, in the Bible, it is said that God can do anything, not anything rational.
joustfortheround

Pro

Free Choice:
You said there is no free choice in the bible because if you don"t believe in God you go to hell. Let me ask you this question: Do you believe in God?

Law of Relativity:
Now in a Christian world this is pretty easy to explain because when God created the world he set it in place the law of relativity and in fact all proven scientific laws that we know about today were set in place by him at the beginning of time.

Rationality:
Some thing Illogical is something that contradicts its self God can"t contradict himself. You said the Bible says he can do anything but it makes it very clear in the bible that God can"t be evil that is something that would contradict himself in the matter of being perfectly good.
Debate Round No. 2
alexbitu19

Con

alexbitu19 forfeited this round.
joustfortheround

Pro

Opponent forfeited this round!!!
Debate Round No. 3
alexbitu19

Con

alexbitu19 forfeited this round.
joustfortheround

Pro

Silence is consent?

My opponent has again forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
alexbitu19

Con

alexbitu19 forfeited this round.
joustfortheround

Pro

Well I guess this concludes a very sad debate. Maybe the next person I debate on this subject will be able to continue with more arguments.

Thanks for getting me thinking about this subject.

Enjoy your following debates everyone!!!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by KhalifV 3 years ago
KhalifV
I don't see the distinction between all powerful and able to do anything. If you're all powerful then you should be able to do anything. It would be more appropriate to say god is very very powerful, to the point of perceived omnipotence, but not actually omnipotent. This Maxwell paradox effectively refutes absolute omnipotence.
Posted by cosecant 3 years ago
cosecant
A difference between willing to and being able to ..... .
Posted by Surrealism 3 years ago
Surrealism
You can't affirm the resolution and then negate it in your opening argument.
Posted by Martley 3 years ago
Martley
Like this hasn't been debated a million times before. I will use my powers to predict the future of this debate! The use of logical innuendo, hyperbole and semantics will result in both side claiming they won... DDO will then vote for the side against the theistic god.
Posted by missmedic 3 years ago
missmedic
would it be the same to say that god can't end human suffering, or that he chooses not to.
Posted by Flipz 3 years ago
Flipz
Yeah, for example, most theists claim that God cannot sin since this would contradict his character.
Posted by Samreay 3 years ago
Samreay
You will need to specify what you mean by omnipotence - see http://en.wikipedia.org...

Most theists would claim god can do anything logically possible. The Maxwell Paradox is an example of something that is not logically possible, so it has no bearing on that common usage of omnipotence.
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Reasons for voting decision: Let me make one thing very clear, a quotation or a sentence is NOT an argument. Con should have enunciated on this more. In any case Con forfeited. Happy to clarify this RFD.