The Instigator
ignatius_fernandes
Con (against)
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The Contender
KhalifV
Pro (for)
Winning
17 Points

God is not an intelligent person

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/30/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (5)
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ignatius_fernandes

Con

God is an intelligent person
KhalifV

Pro

BoP is on pro to show:
1. God exists
2. God is a person
3. God is an intelligent person

Pro has BoP because he is holding a positive assertion, since he's con on a negative proposition (-)(-)= +

Intelligence: "Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as in terms of one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning,emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity and problem solving."

Person :": a human being"

Human: "Modern humans (Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the hominin clade, a branch of great apescharacterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; manual dexterity and increased tool use; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies."

I'd also like to know what con means by god

Good luck to Con :)

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Debate Round No. 1
ignatius_fernandes

Con

God created the world logically so he is intellegent
KhalifV

Pro

"God created the world logically so he is intellegent"

What's your evidence?

How does it follow that he is a person?

You can't just assert god created the universe, you have to give reasons.

However, even if god created the universe, that wouldn't mean he's intelligent.

Intelligence: "Intelligence has been defined in many different ways such as in terms of one's capacity for logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning,emotional knowledge, memory, planning, creativity andproblem solving."

Does god have a capacity for logic?
P1) Space and time came into existence with the universe
P2) There was nothing before the unvierse
P3) God created the universe
C1) God created the universe in no time and space from nothing

That is not logical

Understanding?
" Theory of mind (often abbreviated "ToM") is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself and others and to understand that others have beliefs, desires, and intentions that are different from one's own."

Well godeither does not understand that others have different ideas or it's the case he's mean and prosecutes us anyways.

Problem Solving?
He does not seem to be able to save children from starving or save amputees?

Communication?
NO.
God is really bad at communication.
There's 1000+ religions.
If he was good at communication, we'd all know he exists.
Some still have no idea what a god is.(Pihara People)

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Debate Round No. 2
ignatius_fernandes

Con

ignatius_fernandes forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
ignatius_fernandes

Con

ignatius_fernandes forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
ignatius_fernandes

Con

ignatius_fernandes forfeited this round.
KhalifV

Pro

vote pro.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by evangambit 2 years ago
evangambit
While it is useful to correct people's word uses for the sake of clarity, one's argument should not rest on them. Argue against what a person most likely means. In this case "sentient entity" probably more closely matches what Con means.
Posted by EchoboostX4 2 years ago
EchoboostX4
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
http://dictionary.reference.com...
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

That's just a few of the definitions of the word 'person'. No amount of semantics can justify calling God a person.

I never heard anyone in my life call God a person. It's absurd.
Posted by dannyc 2 years ago
dannyc
Since when is 'person' defined solely as human being? Since people just google dictionaries instead of garnering an understanding of the word itself.
Posted by EchoboostX4 2 years ago
EchoboostX4
God's not a person.
Posted by Aerogant 2 years ago
Aerogant
The Universe is intelligent - we are intelligent. People need to stop using "god" - it's a stupid term.
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