God is not real
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I'm going to try to explain as best I can how God did not "poof" into existence.
God is eternal, meaning he exists outside of our boundaries of time and space. He cannot be within our boundaries of time and space, because if you make the universe eternal, you get the problem of infinite regression. However, the universe had a starting point. God is on a plane of existence not defined by science.
In fact, science was created by God and given to humans as something to explore and use to our advantage.
I'm just going to provide the Kalam Cosmological Argument as my solidified proof of God.
(1) Everything that has a beginning of its existence has a cause of its existence.
(2) The universe has a beginning of its existence.
(3) The universe has a cause of its existence.
(4) If the universe has a cause of its existence then that cause is God.
(5) God exists.
Premise 4 is the big one that needs to be decided.
Why does it have to be God? Well, it's not completely necessary, but in order to negate the debate, I at least need to cast doubt on the statement "God does not exist" in order to keep it from being affirmed.
Now, the beginning of the universe in the scientific community is determined by theoretical physics. Theoretical physics can try to determine causes or reasons for natural phenomena, but it cannot prove anything.
So essentially, God and theoretical physics have equal ground in the realm of proof.
Because of this, the resolution cannot be affirmed because my opponent's BoP is not fulfilled.
1. The first bible was written by the greeks to fill in for things they didn't understand. For example: Poseidon, god of the sea. When he got made a caused many waves to crash over the land. This is a tsunami. A tsunami is a natural disaster caused by the movement of tectonic plates.
2. The "devil" was mentioned as the man of hell, and the same as poseidon, he wrecked havoc on the world.
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Well my opponent essentially conceded the debate.
However, I'll just keep the discussion going, because why not?
1) Responding to the claim that God doesn't have any supporting evidence. Most of the evidence for God is philosophical or based on mathematical conjecture (argument from complexity). However, the arguments in themselves are fairly convincing.
Plus, the documentation in the Bible is some of the most historically accurate information about ancient times. The only parts that aren't agreed upon are the parts that mention God's intervention.
According to the Smithsonian Institution,
"Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories.
"These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archaeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated."
So whether you believe in God or not, a lot of the Bible is fairly accurate. You can tell authors paid attention to detail when they started out certain verses. For example, Nehemiah 1:1 says, "The words of Nehemiah son of Hakaliah: In the month of Kislev in the twelfth year, while I was in the citadel of Susa." So it's a documentation of when this verse was written.
The Bible also references other historical sources to compare it too in several verses (very heavily used in 2 Kings).
My point here is that because the Bible is taken seriously as a historical document, it puts a lot more weight on the fact that The Bible isn't just a book full of magic and religious ramblings about God. The people who wrote the Bible were fairly accurate, and most of them were historians to some degree.
2) This is actually my opponent's first numbered point.
The Hebrew Bible was written before the Greeks wrote their Bible, and it wasn't to explain natural phenomena. The Bible was written for several reasons. It was written as a historical document (as mentioned above), it contained books of laws (parts of Exodus and Numbers plus all of Leviticus), and it even included ancient versions of accounting balance sheets (the first part of Numbers).
The Greeks did use mythology to explain natural phenomena, but the only example of that in the Bible is the creation of the world.
3) The devil is actually a fallen angel who has not made it to Hell yet. However, I understand the common misconception. The idea of Satan has been misconstrued to a great degree.
Satan's purpose is to provide the possibility of free will to humans. Humans would not have free will without him, because we would only know God. Because God is a God of love, he needs free will to exist in order for his creation to reciprocate love by choosing him over the opposite option.
I hope I cleared some issues up.
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