The Instigator
BobTurner
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points
The Contender
progressivedem22
Con (against)
Winning
67 Points

God is real

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progressivedem22
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/5/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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BobTurner

Pro

Con may begin.
progressivedem22

Con

May the records show that, because Pro may a positive statement, the burden of proof is on him; he must prove that a God exists, while my goal will be to neutralize and cast doubt on his arguments.

I only have 10 minutes to do this, for some reason, so I'm going to focus on my arguing why, logically, Pro's position doesn't make any sense, rather than sourcing arguments.

My first argument is that there is no evidence for his position and there is absolutely no reason that a God would be needed. If he wants to use the Prime Mover argument, I would counter that his position extends ad infinitum -- that is, if he says that we cannot explain our surroundings, and therefore there must be a creator, I would ask him how God was created. Did a God create that God, who created another God, who created another God? Where did that God exist if not in a universe or a perceivable reality? If that is the case, then how could he create that reality?

Pros's case will likely be that God has no beginning or end. However, he must prove this and, in the process, disprove Einstein's theory of relativity.

I'll conclude by pointing to Occam's Razor. It goes like this: "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better" (1). The competing theory is whether there is a God who created the universe, or whether it was capable of self-creating. We know that, for a God to exist, he must have self-created and existed in some semblance of reality. Thus, the universe can self-create and my theory is plausible, while his has no basis for it.

Finally, I'd like to ask Pro whether which God he is speaking of. Is the term universal, or is he speaking of the God of the Bible? Is the source for his contention the Bible? If that is the case, I'd point out the events in the Bible -- e.g., Great Flood, creation story, young earth, etc. -- that cannot be taken as literally true. If he'd like to go that route, we can certainly do so.

I'll yield back to Pro at this point.

1. http://math.ucr.edu...
Debate Round No. 1
BobTurner

Pro

BobTurner forfeited this round.
progressivedem22

Con

Well, this is disappointing. I'm awaiting Pro's opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
BobTurner

Pro

BobTurner forfeited this round.
progressivedem22

Con

Well, that's unfortunate. Extending; vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
ok sister......no offense intended.......I guess you can handle yourself well enough.......I like a strong sister. Praise the LORD! I hope to see some people get saved on this site.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
You say you don't believe in God because you hate God. You think you can make Him non-existent by saying you do not believe in Him. I have bad news for you, it will never work. I hope you stop hating God before your time runs out and it's too late. Your time will run out, this is a fact. I hope you get enough time to be saved from the fire of hell, even if that means that people have to listen to your arguments agaisnt God for 150 years as you abuse his air saying you don't believe He is real and lying when you say you dont' hate Him. Too bad pro failed to make an argument here, but if I were a voter I would still give him the points for most reliable source since God is his source. God is infinitely more reliable than an agnostic.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
Wylted should quit taling about me and stick to the debate topic...........God is real.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
when somebody says "God", everybody knows what that means. It's common english, easily understood by very young children. Don't play dumb, you know the meaning of "God".
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
If anything happens to me, Wylted will be a chief suspect because of the direct, specific, clear, threats he made to me in messages telling me how he would hack my ISP address and find me and rape me and kill me. That is threats. I have threatened nobody. All who live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
if you want to see what I threat is, I can show you the direct threats Wylted made against me, telling me how he intended to locate me and do me bodily harm including murder. I have threatened nobody, only told them the truth that time is running out and if we are not saved from the fire of hell we will wake up in it.
Posted by LifeMeansGodIsGood 2 years ago
LifeMeansGodIsGood
The fact of the matter is your time is a gift from God and it is running out and if you are not saved, you are going to burn in hell. If you feel threatened, don't blame me, take it up with God. I'm just a preacher.
Posted by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
He's single handedly put 2 of my debates on the front page. One of them I don't mind, but the other is one I had with him and I now regret engaging in that stupidity.
Posted by Wylted 2 years ago
Wylted
That guy should be banned he's doing this on several debates.
Posted by progressivedem22 2 years ago
progressivedem22
Well yeah, I know what you believe. But the point is, in discussing religion with non-believers, you've never insulted any of us, as this guy has done. He's actually threatened plenty of us by saying, "Repent now before it's too late." Obviously, for someone who doesn't believe in hell, that isn't very threatening.

I was really just complimenting you lol.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con has to get all points for having an argument and it was not even necessary as the BOP lay with Pro. Great work d full points. Pity about the full forfeit.
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Reasons for voting decision: I belive in Pro but Con was better
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Reasons for voting decision: Due to the fact that Pro forfeited this debate. I am giving Con the points. Con actually did the debate, and gave great performance.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF by Pro gives Con conduct points. Con was the only one to present arguments and he sourced one of his statements thus giving him sources.
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