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God is real

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UchihaMadara
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/25/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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Pro

This argument is about whether God does or does not exist.

I believe that God does exist and there is reasoning to believing in him.
UchihaMadara

Con

How fun.

Pro is making a positive claim. Therefore he has the burden of proof to show that God exists.

I await his opening argument.
Debate Round No. 1
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Pro

One of atheists main arguments is that it makes no sense for a god to exist. They think it is crazy that someone can sit there and say let there be light and all of the sudden there was light. But I honestly think that it makes more sense than believing that there was nothing and then all of the sudden there was the stars and the moon. And it also doesn't make sense that people just popped out of nowhere or monkeys if u believe in evolution.
UchihaMadara

Con

Pro's case is composed of weak, unsubstantiated objections to the atheistic view of the universe, based wholly in his personal inability to understand modern cosmology and evolutionary biology...

" it makes more sense than believing that there was nothing and then all of the sudden there was the stars and the moon."

Not all cosmological models necessitate the Big Bang coming from nothing; cyclical models of the universe suggest that big bangs are just part of larger cosmic cycle involving an eternally existent universe.
And besides that, Pro has provided no compelling reason whatsoever for us to not believe that something cannot come from nothing. Nothingness has no properties or constraints; we cannot arbitrarily decide that something cannot come from it based on personal incredulity.

" And it also doesn't make sense that people just popped out of nowhere or monkeys"

People did not pop out of nowhere; they slowly evolved via genetic mutations and natural selection over hundreds and thousands of generations.
And they did not evolve from monkeys; humans and monkeys both descended from an ancient species of ape via the same process of macroevolution.


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Debate Round No. 2
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Pro

MOV_8556.MOV forfeited this round.
UchihaMadara

Con

Extend.

Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by UchihaMadara 2 years ago
UchihaMadara
EDIT: Round 2 typo:

"Pro has provided no compelling reason whatsoever for us to believe that something cannot come from nothing"
Posted by UchihaMadara 2 years ago
UchihaMadara
lol ajabi.
Posted by UchihaMadara 2 years ago
UchihaMadara
...

nac
Posted by UchihaMadara 2 years ago
UchihaMadara
im quite disappointed with how fallacious pro's "argument" (if it can even be called that) is as well
Posted by Secular_Mike 2 years ago
Secular_Mike
This is the way the debate is going to go? It's already clear it's JV vs. Varsity. The pro's referencing to evolution is equivalent to stating basketball is flawed because when the quarterback turns a double play he doesn't get a power play.

God: "Let there be light". "Oh yeah, and by the way your only source of light gives you cancer."
Posted by Bonzomi 2 years ago
Bonzomi
Even as an agnostic, I still think the BoP can be shared and it doesn't matter which sides takes full responsibility of it.

If we follow the pattern that everything needs a creator(which can be understood as something normal), then the atheists are making the claim that the universe doesn't have one, therefore the BoP is assumed to be held by them.

But, in essence, we can also assume that, with our limited capability, we are forced to assume that nothing exists beyond our perception unless proven. Because simply, if we can just think that 'one thing' can exist beyond our perception, then 'other' crazy things could also come into existence which may also contradict with each other. So it's just ambiguous, irrational decisions. By using this way of thinking, the BoP is placed on to the theists.

But the problem with leaving the BoP to the atheists is that theists have almost no right to be comfortable as there are a lot of religions out there, by simply saying that there is a God and not holding the BoP, you do not have the connection between your religion and this 'God' that you just stated. Therefore, the theists will be forced to hold another BoP, which is to prove that this 'God' (which is assumed to exist), is the God of HIS RELIGION.

I believe this is a common missing link when theists debates against atheists as the theists only try to prove that God exists, but not taking into account that they have to prove that his religion is true as well to actually stand as a victor.
Posted by TedTheAtheist 2 years ago
TedTheAtheist
The Pro guy didn't even give us an argument worthy of dissecting. He just gave us opinions. Who cares for that? If you're going to say something is real, you need to SHOW how it's real. Don't just sit there, saying: "I can't believe.. blah blah". Who cares?

You either can prove there is a god or we logically dismiss your assertion.
Posted by Epicknightmc 2 years ago
Epicknightmc
God is real guys!
Posted by roborule 2 years ago
roborule
I will take this debate, assuming you carry the BoP.
Posted by gabesnyds 2 years ago
gabesnyds
People are going to be weary of this debate as it is impossible to (logically) prove a negative.
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Reasons for voting decision: I am the idiot Wylted was talking about.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro held complete BoP but gave no positive evidence. It is a shame.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro FF'd a round, and did not back up their assertions with any evidence or logical argument. Con made a much better case overall.
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Reasons for voting decision: ::Sigh:: I was hoping for a debate. Forfeit; lack of an actual argument.
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