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God isn't real

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Started: 10/24/2012 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Destran

Pro

If anyone wants to take this, go for it.
thett3

Con

God shall be defined as the personal creator of the Universe. My burden will be to prove that it is more probable than not that a creator of theUniverse exists.

I. The KCA

Due to the character limit, I will be restricted solely to advocating this single but profound argument.

The Kalam cosmological argument advanced by Dr. Craig can be formulated as follows[1]:


P1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause
P2. The Universe began to exist
C. Therefore, the Universe had a cause

Premise 1 is seemingly indisputable. As Craig put it, out of nothing, nothing comes! To deny this premise goes against reason and thousands of years of human observation and experience. Indeed, to question it we must also question why things like a glass of orange juice or a cat do not just randomly appear out of nothing.

Premise 2 is more controversial. However there are good philosophical and scientific reasons to believe that the Universe did indeed absolutely begin at one point. On the scientific side, there is a startling and rapidly growing piles of evidence indicating that the Universe began to exist from literally nothing at the big bang. This theory is supported by repeated observations such as red shift showing that the Universe is still expanding from the big bang. On the philisophical side, an eternal universe is impossible, because the number of past events must be finite. Indeed imagine for a moment if I took an infitine number of dollar bills and lined them up in order of serial number. Then imagine that I took out all of the dollar bills with even serial numbers and lined them up in a seperate line, what then would be the results? I would also have an infinite number of even numbered dollar bills--a logical contradiction since that would entail that infinity minus infinity equals infinity! But clearly this is absurd! The idea that infinity can exist in reality is simply philosophically bankrupt, causing the mathmetician David Hillbert to conclude[2]:

"The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite...is solely that of an idea..."

From these facts the conclusion logically follows. But what exactly does this conclusion entail? What could have possibly caused the Universe? We can logically deduce that whatever caused the Universe was outside of it (obviously, for nothing can logically create itself). The only things that can possibly be outside of the Universe are abstract objects such as numbers and minds. But since numbers cannot cause anything, the cause must therefore be a mind. Moreover, the cause does not exist naturally but rather supernaturally. It must be above time, above space, and imensly if not all powerful in order to iniate the creation of all things from literally nothing. It follows then from the Cosmological argument that you have a supernatural, timeless, spaceless, imensely powerful, personal mind. This cause is clearly the God defined by me, and therefore the more plausible worldview is that a God indeed exists.

My opponent must not only refute my argument for the existence of God, but he must also formulate his own arguments against God's existence. Until then the resolution is negated.




1. Craig, William Lane. On Guard. Colorado Springs: David C Cook, 2010. Print.
2. Ibid
Debate Round No. 1
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by TheBoss 4 years ago
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what's the outline/format of this debate? because i want to know that before i can accept this debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: ARGUMENTS: Con's arguments go unrefuted. GRAMMAR: Good grammar by both. CONDUCT: Forfeiting without a reason is bad conduct. SOURCE: Sources are not necessary for a debate like this.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con successfully proved the existence of God. Pro gave up and thus, forfeited the whole debate. Clear win to Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: I want to eat Chicken.
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Reasons for voting decision: PRO wasted COn's time.