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God sexists through faith and existence through faith is not feasible as scientific evidence.

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Started: 12/3/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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First of all, I would like to thank my honorable opponent for accepting my debate, and i will like to mention that this is only the first volume of debates i will have with my opponent in order to educate us both about our standpoints on this broad subject in hope of us to find common ground and to derive understanding of each others expression of their understandings to this subject.
Be four i begin i would like to apologize for the breifness of this opening argument as i do not have sufficient time to put forth a greater one.
I will begin with some Key definitions to prevent this debate to revolve around Semantics.

faith: "belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust"

God: " : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind " Merriam-Webster

Now to the debate.
I will bring forth two broad strands of though complimenting my pro position on our debated statement.
My opponent will express any objections in my statements, or bring forth new strands of though deeply related to our statement.

1. God exists through faith: It is difficult to provide a common definition of existence, for this debate I will state that existence is a product derived from the act of acknowledgment.
The believers of the three major religions : Islam, Christianity, Judaism all state that they know an omnipotent being responsible for the creation of the entire universe exists, yet they fail to explain the creation of the universe it self.
The also fail to explain any details about the omnipotent being what so ever, more so than his vague and contradicting characteristics "loving, kind, vengeful etc..."

2. Existence through faith is unfeasible as scientific evidence
Scientific evidence is noted as the product of a judgment made by a previous hypothesis, experimental conclusions from a body of inferences and body of previous scientific theories.
The Objective of scientific evidence and theories is to increase the probability of accuracy in our understandings of "truth".
Proof is direct inference of "truth".
- Faith is belief in something without regard to "proof".
Therefor Existence through faith is unfeasible as scientific evidence


1. Islam does not fail to explain the creation of the universe. Islam, in fact explains the big bang 1400 years ago while the scientists today explain the "big bang" which they call only a theory. But as time proceeds, the Big Bang will become a fact.

"the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30). This Ayah basically explains to you that all matter was joined together as one unit of creation before the explosion (Big Bang) occurred.

"The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47). This also explains to you of what we know today that the universe is expanding, it is impossible for a man such as Muhammed (PBUH) have technological instruments that we have today, for him to do research and discover these facts 1400 years ago, and to create a religion to which you call "man-made".

"Allah has created every animal from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills, for truly Allah has power over all things" (24:45). this Ayah supports the scientific theory that all life began in the Earth's oceans.

"Man We did create from a quintessence of clay. Then we placed him as a drop of sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood. Then out of that clot We made a fetus lump. Then We made out of that lump bones, and clothed the bones with flesh. Then We developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the Best to create!" (23:12-14). This Ayah explains to you the fetus development in stages.

"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (39:6). This Ayah shows you that the growth of the fetus occurs in three stages. The scientists of today recognize the development of the fetus happens in three trimesters. Scientists also admitted that the Quran's definition of the fetus development is more accurate than the scientific definition.

Out of all the religions of earth, Islam is the only one that does not have a conflict with science.

2. Humans have only five (5) senses: to see, hear, touch, smell, and taste. Then how did we find out about atoms, electromagnetic waves, nuclear fission, protons, electrons, neutrons, and many other existences? It is as you have said "Scientific evidence is noted as the product of a judgment made by a previous hypothesis, experimental conclusions from a body of inferences and body of previous scientific theories". Just because we don't see something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and just because we cant see God does not mean He doesn't exist. We use our understanding, logical, and critical thinking to prove to ourselves that they do exist as we have done to atoms, electromagnetic waves and many others.

And as when you find a contradiction in Christianity, or Judaism, it does not conclude that there is a contradiction in Islam. I do not believe in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all together as one belief, I only believe in Islam. I find all religions other than Islam are man-made, this is a debate between Islam and Atheism. Many people tend to conclude that all religions on earth are man-made because they found a contradiction in all the religions they have studied, not willing to complete studying at all the religions that exist on earth. God created only one religion, not 20, so the chances of finding a religion that is not man-made out of 100 religions, would be 1%.
Debate Round No. 1


spectrum forfeited this round.


Since my opponent forfeited for the last argument, there is nothing I could reply or argue about. So I will use this round's argument to further show you just some of the many scientific miracles mentioned in the Qur'an.

He placed firmly embedded mountains on it, towering over it, and blessed it and measured out its nourishment in it, laid out for those who seek it-all in four days. Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They both said, "We come willingly." (Qur'an, 41:10-11) the scientific theory of the formation of planets explains that it is the hot gas after the big bang that came together and formed the planets.

"That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do." (Qur'an, 21:104)

"They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe!" (Qur'an, 39:67)
These two verses show you what will happen on judgment day. this action has been proved that will happen in the future, and it is called the "Big Crunch". The universe has been expanding since the big bang. Scientists say that when the mass of the universe has reached a sufficient level, this expansion will come to an end because of gravity, causing the universe to collapse in on itself.

"You see the mountains you reckoned to be solid going past like clouds." (Qur'an, 27:88) the mountains move since they are on the tectonic plates, and the tectonic plates move. Again, If Muhammad (PBUH) created Islam then how did he know about tectonic plate movement 1400 years ago?

… He sends down mountains from the sky with hail inside them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight. (Qur'an, 24:43) now you might ask why does God mention hail and lighting together? here is the secret:
"A cloud becomes electrified as hail falls through a region in the cloud of supercooled droplets and ice crystals. Liquid droplets freeze and release latent heat as they collide with a hailstone. This keeps the surface of the hailstone warmer than that of the surrounding ice crystals. An important phenomenon occurs when the hailstone comes in contact with an ice crystal: Electrons flow from the colder object toward the warmer one." you can find this information in a meteorology book.

… He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not even the weight of the smallest particle eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 34:3)

… Not even the smallest speck eludes your Lord, either on earth or in heaven. Nor is there anything smaller than that, or larger, which is not in a Clear Book. (Qur'an, 10:61)
these two verses explain to you the existence of microscopic life. Did the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) have a microscope 1400 years ago?

I can go on and get you hundreds or even thousands more scientific facts that were written in the Qur'an 1400 years ago have been proved correct after the Qur'an. but since I do not have the time to do so and the limit is 8000 letters.

Now you might ask yourself: how are all the scientific facts in the Qur'an being proved correct? maybe as soon as a new discovery is made all 1.4 billion Muslims all over the world get notified (somehow) about this and they all rewrite the Qur'an they have and tell you "see, it was written in the Qur'an 1400 years ago!"

not all the scientific miracles written in the Qur'an have been proved "correct" some of them still haven't been proved true or false yet, but someday science will catch up to the Qur'an and ALL the scientific miracles will be proved true.

Now many people rejected Islam 1400 years ago because when they heard "an explosion created this wonderful planet and all the stars and the universe" they say "What?" and when they hear mountains aren't solid in place, they are moving in tectonic plates they say "Uhm what's this religion again?" and when they hear that the world is not a complete sphere but more close to an egg shape, they say "well this religion is obviously not God-made because we all know that the world is FLAT! not a sphere!" and they Ignore Islam. But now in the 21 century the science shows us that the world is not a perfect sphere or flat, it is more of an egg shape, and that mountains do move etc... so I'm going to now show you the verses in the Qur'an about science that still haven't been proved true yet, so if it does get proven true sometime in your life, you will remember that you read it here in this argument, and you'll know that it's not true that all Muslims change their Qur'an as soon as a new scientific fact is discovered.

-Water existed before the creation of the heavens and the earth.

-Why hydrogen is the dominant gas in the universe?

The water existed before the creation of the heavens and the earth started. Due to the tremendous heat that resulted from the disintegration of the primary entity, huge amounts of water transformed to its basic elements (hydrogen and oxygen).

-How did water come to the earth?

During the last four thousand lunar years of the creation, ALLAH (SWT) Made the solid foundations (tectonic plates) on top of the inner part of the earth (which was created in the first two thousand lunar years of the creation). Also during this period ALLAH (SWT) Has Placed all the earth's resources (including water) within its crust. As the earth started to spin, the stresses due the spinning motion caused the earth's crust to crack at many locations. Water exited from within the earth's crust to the surface.

-Role of the mountains

Land as well as marine mountains act as pegs to strengthen the earth's crust layer.

-Locations of the universe

The stars are located and arranged in such a way to maintain the balanced dynamics of all the celestial objects as well as the structural integrity of the ceiling of the lowest heaven (the universe).

-The dark matter

The bulk of the dark matter is concentrated at the outer perimeter of the universe.

these are all the scientific miracles written in the Qur'an that I can find, lets hope that you will not become like the people 1400 years ago and say well the earth is flat!
Debate Round No. 2


spectrum forfeited this round.


IGFORCE forfeited this round.
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