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I am arguing that by believing in such (Jesus, Siddhartha, Muhammad, The virgin Mary, Ra, Inubis etc...) You say in a way that there is another force that is responsible for your out come. In example: If I am blessed praise be to 'Allah'...If I am cursed it is the devils fault. There is deferment of responsibility in the belief of a higher power.
Point in case, you say: "The truth is this- That God loves you and wants what is best for you. He is not sitting in heaven scheming against you, but has a plan for you that is good and will have a good end. However, in order to live out this plan, you must place your life in Jesus Christ."
So, first your claim that that is truth is false all on it's own- But I won't go there thats not what we are arguing, just pointing out kindly that that is an extreme violation of fair argument.
Second, You are saying that you believe God has a plan for you- and all you have to do is place your life in his hands. I ask, what about the plan you have for yourself and the steps and goals you put in place to achieve your own greatness? You have been made to be dependent on something you aren't even sure exists because as you said you don't have an option...
I never said christians can't handle the truth, as a matter of fact the word Christian isn't even in my opening statement.
As far as your statement you don't decide who god is he decides who you are again...deferring responsibility of accepting who you are based on your own merit. Renders you helpless in a way, That is my argument. And then again...Christianity is not the only religion on planet earth. If you are going to engage in this debate I ask you have an open mind and find a way to own that you may in fact be wrong. Because I am and if you can convince me I am willing to admit defeat.
For your second point, yes, we will always have factors that dictate how we live our lives. If you really think about it, your plans and mine are insignificant to everyone buy ourselves. Submitting yourself to a greater power makes you a part of something greater. Thousands of people were under and supported Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and his stance on equality of the treatment and rights of African Americans was so much greater than the other rebellions and had such a cultural impact that changed the future of our country. Likewise, many people submitted to Hitler and likewise had another cultural impact that left the country scarred and infamous. It is not the fact that you are submitting to something, because everyone does that whether they know it or not, but instead what you are submitting to. Are you looking for satisfaction in fulfilling your desires? How do you go about fulfilling those desires, much of which are natural and appropriate? Something tells me you are debating this because you want to know if the whole religion thing is for real. If you look to a religion, they offer many things, but often times can never deliver. Even atheism is considered a religion, as you are still putting your faith in something, even if it is the idea of nothing. I greatly appreciate the fact that you actually read what I had to say and am also grateful for the opportunity to grow and learn. Thank You.
(I wish I had opened this argument to more than just three rounds.)
Second, you say "You will always have something greater than yourself. Whether you think the world was created by the big bang or a higher power, the world was formed as we can see it today."
I don't believe that. I don't believe that there is a force greater than I. I believe that my thoughts can turn into actions and those actions can move mountains. Literally, and I also believe that if every human realized their potential we would all be part of nothing- we would simply be human.
Just as a tamed lion knows nothing of his true power he is still a lion, just a weaker version of what a lion should be. However, no matter where a lion lives, whether it be Africa or Asia a lion is a lion all part of the same group.
Humans have divided themselves according to location, race, religious preference and ethnicity. When really we are all the same and hold the same human power of belief and will, yet we choose to place the responsibility in something other than ourselves because to fathom the thought of us being responsible for our own mess is not in our nature, but it should be.
I do not claim to be atheist. I just believe that the power which we all seek is right inside me. I am my own god. I know how narcissist that sounds. I don't mean it that way, I mean it in the most fragile of ways. But If I want/need something I ask myself to find a way, to find the means, to work harder, to search deeper, to look over under and sideways to always continue to crave education to always put myself first, that I may help others who are in need, to turn the other cheek and lastly to live along side my fellow gods and goddesses.
I just see the search and the need to answer some very un answerable questions- such as why are we here...who am I and whats my purpose. I believe the answer is simple, we were born into the species that thinks and therefore we are...so if we start to believe that we are rulers of our own being, Id be willing to bet disease would decrease violence would decrease...so on and so forth.
Im going to end there, since I wont be able to respond, I just want to say thank you and what a pleasure this conversation has been. I hear your very valid thoughts and understand what you are saying. Sorry again to have came off as rude.
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Vote Placed by Matt532 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Pro ff, Con assumes Pro's arguments are false without evidence. Convincing Argument - Con dismisses Pro's argument without evidence. Great point of Pro about how to fulfill our desires. Pro failed in connecting the good of Con's argument to Pro's side. Neither side convinced me. (1) Faith in God does mean you are helpless, Pro. However, God gives us the ability to choose, which is what Con was getting at in R1, concerning freedom. (2) There doesn't and shouldn't be a deferment in all of one's responsibilities to a higher power, though one can ask the higher power for help in carrying out one's responsibilities, or to even have them done for that person maybe. (3) We can't put faith in ourselves as death will ultimately defeat us (from an atheist's perspective).
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