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Brownbearlc
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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/19/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 586 times Debate No: 11243
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Brownbearlc

Con

The idea of one specific god (God) has been prevalent for thousands of years now, but this God we believe in cannot be what we think he is when we believe what we believe. Modern monotheistic religions that believe in this God believe that he is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. The problem with this belief is that we believe we have free-will and yet we believe that he is omniscient. When a god is omniscient he knows our decisions before we make them, making our decisions pre-determined taking away our free-will. It is not possible for us to have free-will and have an omniscient god. I now stand ready for my opposition.
lemaandrew

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Your entire is based on the argument that he can not know our actions before if we have free will. Well just because we have free will does not mean our future acts can not be pre-determined, and just because our acts can be pre-determined does not mean we do not have the ability to change our minds right before we make them. Even though he knows what we are going to do before we do it does not mean that he stopping us from changing or doing anything to make us change. He simply is watching and knows what we are going to do.

I choose to have faith in the fact that there is a single all knowing all seeing god. Though he may in fact have the ability to force us to act in certain ways he doesn't because he wants each and every person to find their own way and have their own beliefs.
Debate Round No. 1
Brownbearlc

Con

Ugh. If our actions are predetermined we do not have free will. We ourselves are not making the decisions, they are already made. We only act as programs of our creator. This whole idea that we can change our mids before hand is just stupid. If God is omnipotent then he knows your decision, if it was a surprise to him he would not be omnipotent and there fore the whole Judeo-Christian religion would be shattered. Although he may not flat out make you do things he knows what it is you are going to do, taking away your free will. We have no real choice in the matter even though it may seem as if we do. He is like the author of a book, the characters seem as though they have a choice but in reality they do not, we can skip to the end and see what it is that they decide. As long as we know what they are going to do they do not have free will, but if we were to read it one page at a time it would appear as if they had free will even though we could skip to the end. We are reading the pages of our life one page at a time whereas God has skipped to the end and knows what we are going to do.
lemaandrew

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Debate Round No. 2
Brownbearlc

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lemaandrew

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by intopolitics 6 years ago
intopolitics
something i found the other day is the theory of predetermination which says that our circumstances are predetermined but our choices are not and that while god may know what choices we will make doesn't take away our free will because to the best of our knowledge we are acting out of our own choices and he is not using his power to force us to make a choice just something i thought was kind of cool
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
'since there is no evidence for or against a God, only against things written by man in the Bible'

Wow. You've just brushed off the entire field of Natural Theology...
Posted by Brownbearlc 6 years ago
Brownbearlc
Well when you put omnipotence and omniscience together you generally get that "God" knows everything
Posted by timcooley 6 years ago
timcooley
The Christian "personal god" is a pretty primitive idea. I'll give you that.
Posted by Ore_Ele 6 years ago
Ore_Ele
definitions are big, since some say that "omniscient" means knowing everything that is possible to know (which won't violate free will). A proper debate would come down to semantics, since there is no evidence for or against a God, only against things written by man in the Bible.
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