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Started: 7/11/2016 Category: Religion
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Is God's word (the Bible) infallible?


Biblical infallibility:
The belief that what the Bible says regarding matters of faith and Christian practice is wholly useful and true. It is the "belief that the Bible is completely trustworthy as a guide to salvation and the life of faith and will not fail to accomplish its purpose.

-It declares itself to be infallable.

(2 Timothy 3:16-17)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Jesus Christ believed every word of Scripture whether literally or allegorically, it had value and divine purpose. All the prophecies concerning the Messiah were fulfilled according to the Bible by Jesus, and He believed beforehand they would be.


-The Old Testament of the Bible declared prophecy after prophecy concerning a future Messiah. According to the New Testament Jesus fulfilled all of the numerous prophecies such as he would die and be tormented for remission of sins, be a Nazarene, have a mass assault on babies when he was a baby, flee to Egypt, and many more.


-The Bible declared what was coming leading up to Christ's return.

The world will be filled with violence and corruption.
(Luke 17:26)(Genesis 6:11)

Many will be arrogant, overfed and unconcerned, haughty; they will not help the poor and the needy.

(Luke 17:28)
(Ezekial 16:49-50)



(2 Thessalonians 2:3)
(2 interpretations)

"That day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God."

"for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first."

Christianity is under attack like no other time in even semi modern history. Numbers in the West are nose diving. Secularism is the fastest growing belief/lack of belief of all.

(Matthew 24:21)
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall."

(Is this the end of Christianity in the Middle East)

(U.S. will not take non-Muslim Syrian refugees)


Christians are being slaughtered all over the Middle East and North Africa.

(Revelation 20:4)
"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God."

Christians are being beheaded in droves for not renouncing Jesus Christ.

(Revelation 12:12)
"Woe to the earth because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."


(What is 666?)


The symbols of Satan are the sun, moon, and stars. At least one of these symbols represents every other non-Christian "god".

(2 Corinthians 4:4)
"The god of this age, Satan, has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."


(Revelation 12:9)
"...the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who is the deceiver of the whole world."

(Quran 3:54)
"Allah is the greatest of deceivers."


A prophet who claims Jesus is not the Son of God" is antichrist.

(1 John 4:3)
"But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world ."

Muhammed came renouncing Jesus as the Son of God in the Quran.

He was demon possessed as a child, got his revelation from a being he claimed was a demon, and wrote Satanic verses by deception of the Devil, all according to Islam itself.

Muhammed demons-

Satanic Verses-

Debate Round No. 1


When it comes to reading Scripture the first goal should be to discover what the text quoted/in consideration actually does say. Not to get too sidetracked from the original question, let's focus attention on the verse so quickly and commonly quoted when it comes to the view that "all Scripture is God-breathed," 2 Timothy 3:16.

Interestingly, there is no other verse in the Bible which says, all scripture is God-breathed. Jesus never said it (he might of thought it, but I can't claim to know his thoughts, no one can) Abraham, no. Moses, no. Noah, no. Proverbs, no. The Psalms, no. No other place in the Bible does it say this. Only Paul, written at a time when he was contemplating his own death; urging Timothy to not be ashamed of Paul, because Paul is not ashamed of the gospel (1:8-14).

If "all Scripture is God-breathed" why is some of it so X-rated? Could God not make his point cleanly or with a little more tact? Here is one example (of many); why did God feel the need to breathe this verse in Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." (NIV)



-Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." (NIV)-

"Could God not make his point cleanly or with a little more tact? "


I challenge Con to define "cleanly" and "more tact" in reference to this verse.


In Ezekial 23:4 we see that this story is an allegory and the "whore" is Jerusalem.

"They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. The first is Samaria, and the second is Jerusalem."


Possible reason why:

-God is blunt because real honesty is blunt and to the point.

*lacking refinement or subtlety; straightforward and uncomplicated
*outspoken; direct and to the point:


Things a blunt person(bronto) understands:

*Your friends come to you because you give the "most honest" and "real" advice.

*Political correctness gets in the way of the truth. It can be a lie in disguise.

*Sometimes being blunt is the only way to get the point across. The point? What Jerusalem was doing was the equivalent of a married, cheating whore who got around with everyone and anyone. If someone said this to me, I would get the point. "Bronto, you are like a married, cheating whore who would sleep with a 10 foot tall woman with 3 boobs, 6 arms, a tail and whiskers."

Now you have my attention...


What was the author supposed to say? I'll give it a try.

-She was quite a dirty little whore who liked well hung men. She'd give up the goodies to anyone with a big wanker.

-She was a gal who liked men, and she preferred men who were long and hard and could get it on like Donkey Kong.

-She liked having a sex, a lot...and if you were hung like a mule, she'd pounce you any time, any place, anywhere.

-She was a tramp who liked men who could pound a nail like a pornstar. Her husband was irrelevant.

-I'm not certain a more tactful way of saying it, nor am I sure it would be reasonable to try. From the verse I get that she liked the salamander...a lot. Point made God. Point made...



Ed, a sales rep, had great content in his speeches, yet cleared his throat with a slight "Ahm" after every 3-4 sentences. While it was noticeable in his speeches, no one mentioned it, thinking he might have some allergy or throat condition. At the end of the second day, small groups formed and critiqued each other's speeches. Someone in Ed's group tried tactfully to mention Ed might want to watch his throat clearing habit. It obviously had little affect, since the "Ahm's" continued, even in ordinary conversation. Then it happened. During the closing hour of the conference, Ed gave a five minute speech. He had a great opening, maintained eye contact, and even used a few props. Of course by now the rest of the class silently counted his throat clearing sounds while he presented. Ed barely finished his sentence when the instructor asked him, "Ed, do you have some sort of throat problem?" "No" answered Ed. "Then stop clearing your throat. It's an annoying habit and it interferes with people listening to you. I'd never hire you because I don't want to listen to someone say "Ahm' every 15 seconds," said the instructor.

*Holding back on information makes people question your honesty.

*It is hard to trust people who won"t give you a straight answer.

*Being too cautious about what you say can lead to never really giving anyone an answer to their questions.

Anything else Con? You asked...
Debate Round No. 2


The question on the table is - "is the Bible without error/infallible?

The problem with quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 as evidence, is a problem within itself. For, you see, there are manuscript discrepancies with that verse. To base all concept of all scripture being God-breathed on that one verse alone is misguided.

The word - "is" - changes the entire outlook. Some early manuscripts do not have the word "is" where later translations currently put it. Thus, a more accurate interpretation of that verse would be, "All God-breathed scripture is ..." is certainly useful in teaching and instructing others, no doubt. But that is a whole lot different from saying, or thinking, "all" scripture "is" God-breathed, therefore, all of it, (no matter how illogical, off the rocker, or outlandish it seems), is useful for instructing, rebuking, etc., etc.

Early English Translation Examples:

In 1380 John Wycliffe translated this verse as: "For all scripture inspired of God is profitable to teach", etc.

In 1526 William Tyndale translated this as: "For all scripture given by inspiration of God is profitable to teach", etc.

The Coverdale Bible (1535) and the Matthew Bible (1537) and the Great Bible (1540) basically repeat the Tyndale text.

"[Now] you know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." John 8:32


In the book of Genesis, Ishmael was rejected by God. God said that Isaac's children would be his and Ishmael's children would not.

(Genesis 16:11-12)
11"The angel of the Lord also said to her:
"You are now pregnant
""""and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
""""for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12"He will be a wild beast of a man;
""""his hand will be against everyone
""""and everyone"s hand against him."

(Genesis 17:19-22)
19Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20"And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21"BUT my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22"When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.


Antichrist renounces Christ

In the hadith (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, "The most awful name in Allah"s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings)."


(Revelation 13:15)
"All who refused to bow to the image to be killed."

Antichrist's Followers bow to image-

(Muslims bowing to an image)


(Revelation 20:4)
"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God."

Antichrist's Followers behead Christians-

(ISIS declares "war on the cross", beheading Christians)


In the hadith (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, "The most awful name in Allah"s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings)."


Antichrist marks foreheads-

(Revelation 20:4)
"...They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands."

(Revelation 13:16)
"It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads."

Islam-The "Beast of the Earth"-

"And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs."

"R01;Qur'an, sura 27 (An-Naml), ayat 8

In Islam, this beast marks the foreheads of "believers".

"the task of the Beast will be to distinguish the believers from the non will draw a line on the forehead of every muslim believer whereby his face will become bright and luminous."

(Abu Huraira / Tirmidhi, by Sheik Ahmed Ali in "Major Signs before the Day of Judgement")


Islam is on a collision course with Christianity and believes it is destined to destroy it.

Is the Bible the infallable word of God? Yes.

Debate Round No. 3


Your Genesis quote: ...God said that Isaac's children would be his and Ishmael's children would not. Has NOTHING to do with this debate. You must be posting in the wrong debate. This debate is about God's word, is it infallible?


"Your Genesis quote: ...God said that Isaac's children would be his and Ishmael's children would not. Has NOTHING to do with this debate. You must be posting in the wrong debate. This debate is about God's word, is it infallible?"

Nope. This is a 2 fronted argument. In the Old Testament we are told that Ishmael"s descendents are not of God according to God Himself.

In Revelation, all of the nations that Christ comes against are Islamic today. Elam, Arabia, etc.

It would be the greatest coincidence in human history if the OT and NT coinsided in this manner by coincidence, seeing Islam would not come around for 700 more years after Revelation was written.

In Revelation we are told antichrist will set up at the temple mount declaring himself to be God and renouncing Christ. This is where the antichristian Islamic Dome of the Rock sits today because of defeat during the Crusades.

Here is an excerpt from this Islamic temple.

"It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him!"

Here is a link with the full inscription on the Dome of the Rock.

It would be one heck of a longshot call for the Bible to describe antichrist's followers to match a group that exists today, in real life, who:

1)Has a great infallable antichrist prophet.

2)The prophet sets up an imsge to be bowed to.

3)He gives power to another "god" and sets it up at the exact spot, the Temple Mount.

4)Christ goes against all Islamic countries in the end.

5)Even the OT rejects this exact group thousands of years before the fact.

6)No other religion does it. Only one.

7)It beheads Christians even in 2016 AD.

8)Its enemy is "The King of Kings".

With this kind of pretzled proof, we can conclude the Bible is infallable.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Agingseeker 3 months ago
Yes, but in the way the Catholic Church says it is.

Withour a Church we are arguing Sola Scriptura in some form. Learn from the Bible, be open to it, seek. But follow the advice of St Augustine ;

"he simply teaches that we are all free to read Scripture and take from the text whatever the Holy Spirit inspires for our good. But we must neither claim to know the author"s intention nor assert a universal and definitive meaning of any text. The former is known only by the Holy Spirit. The latter belongs to the Church alone."
Posted by whiteflame 3 months ago
>Reported vote: Bored_Debater// Mod action: Removed<

2 points to Pro (Sources). Reasons for voting decision: Pro was the only one to use sources. Point goes to pro.

[*Reason for removal*] Sources are insufficiently explained. The voter has to establish that the sources are reliable, and not just that only one side has them.
Posted by Bored_Debater 3 months ago
That rebuttal from pro on God's word on the ladies activities and preferences was pure gold.
Posted by Koinonia 3 months ago
By "every God-breathed scripture" Paul was not speaking about every verse in the Bible. The truth is that there are very many statements in the Bible which were not inspired at all. And therefore we must evaluate all of those statements on their own merits and within the context in which they were spoken/said.
Posted by TheBenC 3 months ago
The Bible contains 3 things. It contains history, culture and religion. You must distinguish these things from each other before understanding what parts to believe in.

Is the historical record of a culture fallible? Yes
Is the cultural record of a culture fallible? Yes
Is the religion of a culture fallible? Yes

I am 100% Christian and even I can see the flaws of the Bible and even more the flaws of those who follow it.
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