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God's action is similar to Hitler's actions

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Started: 3/5/2017 Category: Religion
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What50

Pro

-Remade- Due to my opponent forfeiting.
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The flooding of the earth killed at least 10 million people. God justified his actions saying that humans corrupted. He even stated "'The wickedness of man was great in the earth" as stated in the bible. They were corrupting the earth and therefore ruining god's plan for a "perfect world".

Now how is this relevant? Over 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust. That is pretty close to 10 million people. Hitler blame the Jews for the problems of Germany. His political message by banishing the Jews or killing the Jews. With this plan Germany will become large,and economically powerful country. This is dangerously close for God's plan for a perfect world and Hitlers plan for a perfect Germany.

In conclusion the flooding of the Earth was dangerously close to Hitlers holocaust.

Sources and cites:
http://creation.com......
http://www.annefrank.org......
http://www.projetaladin.org......
CivilianName295

Con

I will argue that God flooding a group of people is not the same as hitlers holocaust. These are my main reasons why
1. Some christians interpret the flood story to be allegory or a local flood and not the entire planet
2. if you look at the story of sodom and gomorrah there is a similar situation where everyone in the city is wicked and needs to be destroyed but if you read the verses this is what takes place. Genesis 18: 22-33 22 "The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord.[a] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[b] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing"to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

26 The Lord said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?"

"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"

He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."

30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"

He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."

31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"

He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."

32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"

He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

33 When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home."

As you can see God is very patient with his creatures and would have spared everyone for the sake of ten good men. So clearly Gods actions are not the same as hitlers since God gave them plenty of chances to repent but they did not. Hitler was not patient he just killed jews for not liking them.
Debate Round No. 1
What50

Pro

Con thank you for accepting this debate. I hope we can have a fun time debating.
"1. Some christians interpret the flood story to be allegory or a local flood and not the entire planet"
There is evidence that the flood was the entire planet.. God said, "I am surely going to destroy both them (the people) and the Earth" (Genesis 6:13b). Noah's arc was there for more than a year (Genesis 6:13b). That's a long time for a local flood. Geneis 9:1 basically confirms that Noah's family are the only survivors. On the same chapter of Genesis 9:1 confirmed that every living person is a descended of their family. If the Flood Story was a local flood how come every one is a descendant of Noah's family?

"As you can see God is very patient with his creatures and would have spared everyone for the sake of ten good men. So clearly Gods actions are not the same as hitlers since God gave them plenty of chances to repent but they did not. Hitler was not patient he just killed jews for not liking them."

Hitler was very patient with the Jews. The first thing Hitler did to the Jews was blamed them for ruining his perfect plan for Germany. God killed those people because they were evil and corrupt and ruined his plan for the world. But let me digress,Nazi thugs would stop people from entering Jewish shops that is not violent. Jews were even allowed to leave Germany. In November 1938 a Nazi diplomat was shot dead by a Jew. After the event Hitler than proceeded to do a 7 day campaign of terrors on the Jews. But guess what no Jews died in the 7 day of campaign. Therefore Hitler was willing to spare the Jews. Hitler came to power in 1933. The holocaust stared in 1939 meaning that Hitler was patient with the Jews to not kill them in 6 years. Hitler was a patient man to the Jews.

Source: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk...
https://www.ushmm.org...
https://www.ushmm.org...
CivilianName295

Con

The text is not implying that the flood was global there are many christians that believe noah's flood was local because of the original hebrew meaning of the word "world" i will send you the sources for the material at the end on my response.

Hitler hated the jew because of antisemitism and in antisemitism it means that he ONLY hated the jews so it would be more of a racial issue rather than him punishing them for being bad. Even before the holocaust the jews were facing racism and discrimination. This means that they were not "wicked" like how the pre-flood people were. it would be very illogical to say that the actions of the jews and the pre-flood people were acting the same way. There is no evidence that jews were "wicked" people in germany before the holocaust. Albert Einstein was a jew that lived in germany before the holocaust so its wrong to say that the jews and pre-flood people were the same.

Sources for local flood
(1) http://www.godandscience.org...
(2)http://www.ecclesia.org...
Sources for holocaust
(1) http://www.bl.uk...
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org...
(3)http://www.thehuttonews.com...
Debate Round No. 2
What50

Pro

"The text is not implying that the flood was global there are many christians that believe noah's flood was local because of the original hebrew meaning of the word "world" i will send you the sources for the material at the end on my response."

Genesis 19:20. Tells that the tops of all high mountains were at least 20 feet beneath the surface. If this was a local flood how come the tops of all the high mountains are at least 20 feet? If this happened the whole world would be flooded because these are the highest mountains under in water.

The flood killed all living creatures on earth (Genesis 9:16). Why would god ask Noah to get all the pairs of Animals in the ark if it was a local flood?

"Hitler hated the jew because of antisemitism and in antisemitism it means that he ONLY hated the jews so it would be more of a racial issue rather than him punishing them for being bad. Even before the holocaust the jews were facing racism and discrimination. This means that they were not "wicked" like how the pre-flood people were. it would be very illogical to say that the actions of the jews and the pre-flood people were acting the same way. There is no evidence that jews were "wicked" people in germany before the holocaust. Albert Einstein was a jew that lived in germany before the holocaust so its wrong to say that the jews and pre-flood people were the same."

I agree Hitler hated the Jews of antisemitism but he blamed them for events like World War 1 and the economic crisis. "...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf. Hitler called the evil and corrupt just like how God called humans evil and corrupt. No I am saying that both the Jews and pre-flood people were both told that they were evil and corrupt,thus a reason to wipe them out.

I await my opponents final arguments.
CivilianName295

Con

Here I will try to respond to respond to my opponents objections then give final arguments and a closing statement. My opponent has objected that the flood can't be local because it says it went over all the mountains well my response is that it is refurring to the hills in the region since the word "world" means there "known world" and not the entire planet since during there time most humans were in one location and not spread out.

Then my opponent objects that since hitler said he think the Jews were evil then his actions were not more different than the floods however the fundamental problem with this argument is that there is no evidence that the Jewish people were bad. I checked my opponents sources and none of them suggest that the Jews were evil like hitler claimed.

My final argument is that hitler killed the Jews because of social Darwinism that is that he killed the Jews because he thought they were "less evolved" than the Germans and thus he killed them not because the Jews were bad people but because of there race and genetics. There is evidence that hitler used social Darwinism to achieve his agenda so then the reasons for hitler killing the Jews would not be the same as God flooding the group of people

My closing statement is that the burden of proof is on the instigator to show that the Jews were just as evil as the people before the flood. My opponent in this debate has provided no evidence that the Jews were actually evil thus his entire stance on this issue doesn't work. I've shown that the Jews were not evil and many of them were good people and that hitler killed the Jews mainly because of social Darwinism and not necessarily them behaving bad. So thank you for this debate and I hope that you vote well.

Sources for flood
(1) https://www.google.com...
(2) http://www.asa3.org...
(3) https://christogenea.org...
Sources for hitler and social darwanism
(1) https://www.csustan.edu...
(2) http://www.holocaust-trc.org...
(3) http://hhsrobinson.org...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Hitler did stuff..No god..no do.No stuff..
Posted by Angry_Bird 1 year ago
Angry_Bird
The flood.
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:8,9

Noah was not a child from the sons of God (angels) and the daughters of men, he was a desendant of man.
I know of no man who was killed in the flood
Posted by Angry_Bird 1 year ago
Angry_Bird
"Holocaust" comes from the the Greek word holokauston, itself a translation of the Hebrew olah, meaning "completely burnt offering to God," implying that Jews and other "undesirables" murdered during World War II were a sacrifice to God.
A Jewish sacrificial offering which was burnt completely on an altar.
So once murdered they were then burnt meaning people were already dead before the Holocurst took place
Posted by What50 1 year ago
What50
So basically no Jews were killed in the Holocaust. There was no persucation of Jews?
Posted by What50 1 year ago
What50
http://www.annefrank.org...
Oops apologize source for round 3
Posted by What50 1 year ago
What50
Link to how many Jews died in the Holocaust. http://www.projetaladin.org...

Gensis Chapter 6: "'The wickedness of man was great in the earth' (v. 5)."
"'The earth was filled with violence' (v. 11)." Same chapter. Genesis Chapter 6 'The earth...was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth' (v. 12).

The Holocaust is a event in which Adolf Hitler persecuted and murdered millions of Jews.

I have shown my sources in round 1 that shows how many Jews died in the Holocaust. I have shown all of those sources in round 1. If you are questioning my authenticity please be willing to read the sources I have put up.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Hitler did stuff..No god..no do.No stuff..
Posted by Angry_Bird 1 year ago
Angry_Bird
6 million Jews killed in the holocaust? . are you really serious ? please provide your source, because you come across to me as someone who doesn't know too much about what they are talking about, and please tell me more about those people God killed in the flood, and again I ask for you to reveal your source, book,chapter,and verse.
If this is indeed based on fact then I'll be more than apologetic, or are you just unknowingly misunderstanding the bible and regurgitating a masonic lie due to lazyness by ignoring the opertunity to do some honest research ?, and can you tell me what a holocaust is because I feel you will have to look it up to answer me correctly.
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